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CyberFM
03-13-2009, 02:28 PM
I thought you were all in a business, but apparently this is a hobbysist site.

You don't earn a living from your business... it pays your cell phone bill?

I can't be bothered, none of you have enough common sense to understand Brand Name issues.

Closed the thread, like you live in Cuba.

Good bye guys.

James, can I have the $9 back (or send me $4 back to offset the anger over the $5 domain name).

As for CHQ, you guys unfortunately just cost him a lot of money (he doesn't have, defending himself) FORTUNATELY, I have the money to piss away just making his life hard. (Although you will see I made him a nice offer in the thread that is now closed)

As for the "Typical American" Comment from "BoxOVoices" -- There's a reason why we are "American" and that was uncalled for.

GKREurope: I followed your instructions step by step. MFTU comes back to CyberFM. Thanks for aiding me in wasting 5 more minutes in life.

So for all you hobbyists, piss off.

For all of you professionals... Good Luck! Protect your business from children.

--HottWeelz Out.

THREETEN RADIO
03-13-2009, 03:06 PM
I like my hobby thanks so I won't "piss off" Nice attitude you have. I hope it serves you well. :doh:

CyberFM
03-13-2009, 03:19 PM
I like my hobby thanks so I won't "piss off" Nice attitude you have. I hope it serves you well. :doh:

It is a great attitude that I have... thank you. I meant no personal disrespect to you, however, yes "hobbysists" need to respect the "business side" of the world.

By not respecting it, where exactly is your "love for it" ...you would not have the love of it, as a hobby, if it werent' for the businesses backing you up on it.

You think it's your royalty fees helping the industry, no, it's not. Its ours. be thankful.

Hobbyists, request FREE Voiceovers... Business PAY for them.

Everyone remember that.

fridaynightsmoke
03-13-2009, 03:36 PM
Just to chip in my 2p here..
I'm not in the radio business, but I AM in business nonetheless in the UK, and I do know a little about UK trademark law.
CyberFM, whatever case you think you have in a US court, you have no way of making it stick, or affecting someone in, the UK. US court judgements DO NOT APPLY in the UK, and vice-versa; they're different countries.
If you DID want a judgement that would stick against 'chq', you would need to do it in an English court.
You have NO CASE under English law.
The only concieveable way you would have even the beginnings of a case is if you had your trademark ("Cyber FM") registered with the UK Intellectual Property Office, or if you could demonstrate that 'cybaFM' was "passing off" as 'Cyber FM', AND you could demonstrate monetary losses because of that.
Now, I'm not taking anyones side here; I think you've both been utter cocks at different times during this saga, yet 'CyberFM' your attempting to strong-arm a fairly-won domain out of someone with all this legal bull you KNOW doesn't apply leaves a foul taste in my mouth. The funniest part is how you imply that you're some high-flyer (having mentioned working 'on Wall St') yet you are worried about your $9, the price of a decent sandwich.

Pack it in the both of you.

CyberFM
03-13-2009, 03:41 PM
Just to chip in my 2p here..
I'm not in the radio business, but I AM in business nonetheless in the UK, and I do know a little about UK trademark law.
CyberFM, whatever case you think you have in a US court, you have no way of making it stick, or affecting someone in, the UK. US court judgements DO NOT APPLY in the UK, and vice-versa; they're different countries.
If you DID want a judgement that would stick against 'chq', you would need to do it in an English court.
You have NO CASE under English law.
The only concieveable way you would have even the beginnings of a case is if you had your trademark ("Cyber FM") registered with the UK Intellectual Property Office, or if you could demonstrate that 'cybaFM' was "passing off" as 'Cyber FM', AND you could demonstrate monetary losses because of that.
Now, I'm not taking anyones side here; I think you've both been utter cocks at different times during this saga, yet 'CyberFM' your attempting to strong-arm a fairly-won domain out of someone with all this legal bull you KNOW doesn't apply leaves a foul taste in my mouth. The funniest part is how you imply that you're some high-flyer (having mentioned working 'on Wall St') yet you are worried about your $9, the price of a decent sandwich.

Pack it in the both of you.

The $9 reference is more of a smack on the shoulder, you dig?

Apparently, no one as of yet, has had any knowledge about typosquatting/cybersquatting here huh?

The main cause for alarm was the TIMING of the purchase of the name. The "I" in IANA stands for "International"

Jinglemaster
03-13-2009, 03:43 PM
What an insulting thread.

Ironically talking about children as he throws the toys out of the pram. I am gobsmacked. A lot of professionals give up spare time to help here and when people like you make remarks like that it just makes me and I am sure many of the others all the more determined to carry on and rise above the steaming pile of SH!T you just left in your wake.

Feel free to never come back!:bustedred:

CyberFM
03-13-2009, 03:49 PM
What an insulting thread.

Ironically talking about children as he throws the toys out of the pram. I am gobsmacked.
I have no idea what you just said.



A lot of professionals give up spare time to help here and when people like you make remarks like that it just makes me and I am sure many of the others all the more determined to carry on and rise above the steaming pile of SH!T you just left in your wake.


What was it that YOU said about all the "kids" requesting "Freebies" over in the Private Forum that most people aren't allowed to read?

Oh, I guess only those with that access know about that huh?

fridaynightsmoke
03-13-2009, 04:02 PM
The $9 reference is more of a smack on the shoulder, you dig?

Apparently, no one as of yet, has had any knowledge about typosquatting/cybersquatting here huh?

The main cause for alarm was the TIMING of the purchase of the name. The "I" in IANA stands for "International"

Typosquatting/cybersquatting is treated as trademark infringement under UK law. You would need to demonstrate the registration and/or use of a trademark in the UK to have a case. A case in the US does not apply whatsoever.

The 'I' in 'IANA' stands for 'Internet', actually, and they have nothing to do with domain squatting disputes.

Quoting you:

Regardless of age, although most likely a legal adult in his country, can someone else possibly chime in and explain the ramnifactions of having a Civil Judgment against a person?

I'm obviously not getting myself across correctly to CHQ's mind am I?

Can someone else explain that a Civil Judgment affects your Credit Score, your ability to obtain a mortgage. It affects your personal life for a mininum of 7 years if paid off timely?A civil judgement in the US has absolutely no legal force in the UK, whatsoever. You would need a UK court to award you with damages. Without that, there is no way anything you do could have financial or legal repercussions on 'chq'. The VERY BEST you could hope for is the US company that assigns .fm domains transferring the domain in question to you from him.

CyberFM
03-13-2009, 04:07 PM
You are correct, my mistake. BUT demonstrating the use of the Domain in the UK is quite easy no?

Trademarks and Branding are handled through the World Intellectual Property Organization via the United Nations when on an International level... I believe.

I won't know all facts, until AFTER speaking with lawyers of course.

fozzy
03-13-2009, 04:22 PM
Not Sure whats going on here but i take it its about a domain name? cybaFM & Cyber FM Yes? Well if that is the case i run my own biz and have a domain name the same as one of my competitors only thing is i have _ in my name as well as .co.uk they have .com and nothing they can do I could call my business what I like aslong as i dont try to pass it off as anything else Hope this helps

Fozzy

mrbook
03-13-2009, 04:26 PM
Reading through the back and forth in the other thread "cyber" if you are really serious about this I would not discuss anything more on an open forum but would instead talk to your lawyers that from the atitude that you put forth can afford several of them and have them go through the motions of your "war" with "cyba". seriously calling us a hobbyists like we're some low level sub-species is very insulting to your holy then thou way you put yourself out as, don't take this the wrong way I'm happy for your success but don't come on here thrashing the hobbyists and hopeing that we would see the light and get on your side of the argument. I think James should close this waste of bandwidth thread and if you want your price of a latte at starbucks money back contact him via PM or email, and now in the words of Mr. Bale "I'm done with you professionally"

kwdservices
03-13-2009, 04:30 PM
Just thought I'd chime in here, and I am hoping this doesn't turn into me asking to get mobbed.....I am on no one's side, and am just posting some thoughts I had.

The internet is based on competition, without it, who knows what would happen. If Microsoft decides to sue "Mike Row's Software" for copyright infringement, be my guest, but somehow I highly doubt that that same case would get anywhere between two small businesses. I could be wrong, but this is my view from things I have seen.

For example, our company created the 000 brand for one of our radio stations, and the next thing you know, some random person in Las Vegas, Nevada decides he's going to register as many domains related to radio and music with 000 in it.

Personally, I really don't like this, but it is a complete waste of our time to even tell him to hand the domains over. 99% of the time, a law suit is a waste of both parties' time, but for some reason Americans seem to enjoy suing each other over pointless things, such as, "My cup of coffee from McDonalds was too hot."

So honeslty, I think this is an argument that is getting both of you nowhere, and now when searches are done on CyberFM, people are going to see this thread and wonder about the character of everyone who has posted in it.

This is just my personal view on this and 2 cents. Take it or leave it, but I am NOT getting into any sort of argument with anyone regarding this. Try taking a deep breath and enjoy life for what it is, to everyone in this thread, and I hope everyone enjoys his or her weekend :)

Jinglemaster
03-13-2009, 04:35 PM
I have no idea what you just said.



What was it that YOU said about all the "kids" requesting "Freebies" over in the Private Forum that most people aren't allowed to read?

Oh, I guess only those with that access know about that huh?

Not anymore apparently!

I was referring specifically to YOu behaving like a kid. Telling people to piss off.

I have no idea what has upset you, but to have a go at everyone on the forum just because you didn't get whatever it was you thought you should get is unacceptable.

CyberFM
03-13-2009, 04:43 PM
Either way, as i stated in the first line, "I THOUGHT THIS WAS BUSINESS ORIENTED"

I was wrong, this site is intended for hobbyists, hence my goodbye. I have no desire to hang out with Hobbyists.... I think, obviously, the reasons are readily available.

I don't fit in, in a hobbyist site... re-read my very first line, I'm a little in shock that the majority here were hobbysists, but this explains a lot.

So, hobbyists, don't take it personally...

Jinglemaster
03-13-2009, 04:45 PM
I have just read the original thread.

The words ' LIFE, A and GET' spring to mind. They just need re-arranging into a useful bit of advise for you.

At what point did you think that you own the rights to all things Cyber, Cyba etc? I will search for SYBER and SYBA later and register them just to spite you myself. Pathetic. Utterly pathetic.

Jinglemaster
03-13-2009, 04:46 PM
Hobbysists! What a joke. I have been on air on FM stations for a 1/4 century.

So, you don't want to hand a round - so don't! Close the door on your way out. What a joke.

CyberFM
03-13-2009, 04:47 PM
At what point did you think that you own the rights to all things Cyber, Cyba etc? I will search for SYBER and SYBA later and register them just to spite you myself. Pathetic. Utterly pathetic.

For "VOCAL BRANDING" I believe i own "Cyber (Cyba) FM"

register all the Cyber things you like.

Can you understand a "VOCAL" branding concern? Honestly, can you?

CyberFM
03-13-2009, 04:49 PM
Hobbysists! What a joke. I have been on air on FM stations for a 1/4 century.

So, you don't want to hand a round - so don't! Close the door on your way out. What a joke.

You're not even a broadcaster, you have real issues... forget the meds today?

Unbelievable... NO ONE CALLED YOU A HOBBYIST.

GKIye
03-13-2009, 04:53 PM
Pardon Me to make a reply to this issue "once again"
Guess what ? I was wasting yesterday evening a whole evening (and not 5 minutes) to your problem in trying to achieve a solution to the discussion between you both.
- The links and details that I provided into my messages where correct and true - search, open your eyes and you gonna see
- These endless discussions are part of the reason why members left other forums
- Your domain isn't your domain ! Is that clear ? Its registrated to Adam G, so this person is the physical owner of the domain cyber-fm.com and is the only one who can take part to this subject .. to my knowledge of earlier posts your name is James - if this is not correct I apologize
- About all the great details you wrote about laws etc etc ... Well I have a good one for you .. You are against the law. Why ? Because at NO place neither cyber-fm neither at your MFTU website you mention a logo, redirectlink or details about any royalty agency. Your ID of the royalty agency has to be visible on your website where you offer streaming media at any time. THAT is the law in Europe and please feel free to discover some "official" European streaming projects who are paying their Monthly contributions
- For your records I don't gonna piss off .. Please give some respect to fellow members who are already far more longer active into the world of Media and Radio than you are. I started radio in 1978 !! To my details I started already radio at the time you where 3 years old !


GKREurope: I followed your instructions step by step. MFTU comes back to CyberFM. Thanks for aiding me in wasting 5 more minutes in life.
So for all you hobbyists, piss off.
For all of you professionals... Good Luck! Protect your business from children.
--HottWeelz Out.

To Smokey :)
Your reply was what I was trying to explain several times in some kind words during the disccusion that Cyber made to a fellow member.
I agree no US laws affects citizens of other countries, and certainly not to them living at Europe .. afterall the UK is also part of that

Just to chip in my 2p here..
I'm not in the radio business, but I AM in business nonetheless in the UK, and I do know a little about UK trademark law.
CyberFM, whatever case you think you have in a US court, you have no way of making it stick, or affecting someone in, the UK. US court judgements DO NOT APPLY in the UK, and vice-versa; they're different countries.
If you DID want a judgement that would stick against 'chq', you would need to do it in an English court.
You have NO CASE under English law.
In general I wanna say : I admire and respect US citizens who are into the media biss, to Europeans it looks sometimes that they have better skills in voice and studiowork etc
However "some" of them are still thinking that they are living in the biggest country on this planet. The truth is that no country in the world (unless some African republics) are almost bankrupt .. the US is almost and close to the edge .. If Cyber knows anything about Wall Street .. please inform yourself about the Dow Jones, that one is currenlty at 7141.86, the limit of a crisis is 8000 equal to the lowest rate reached during the big reccession of the 1930s, that rate is below of 8000 since the end of the Summer 2008

My conclusion is simple .. I'm gonna add Cyber to my ignore list and to Me we are back on track with BW for a peacefull Easter Season (Y)

CyberFM
03-13-2009, 04:58 PM
Pardon Me to make a reply to this issue "once again"
Guess what ? I was wasting yesterday evening a whole evening (and not 5 minutes) to your problem in trying to achieve a solution to the discussion between you both.
- The links and details that I provided into my messages where correct and true - search, open your eyes and you gonna see
- These endless discussions are part of the reason why members left other forums
- Your domain isn't your domain ! Is that clear ? Its registrated to Adam G, so this person is the physical owner of the domain cyber-fm.com and is the only one who can take part to this subject .. to my knowledge of earlier posts your name is James - if this is not correct I apologize
- About all the great details you wrote about laws etc etc ... Well I have a good one for you .. You are against the law. Why ? Because at NO place neither cyber-fm neither at your MFTU website you mention a logo, redirectlink or details about any royalty agency. Your ID of the royalty agency has to be visible on your website at any time. THAT is the law in Europe and please feel free to discover some "official" European projects who are paying their Monthly contributions
- For your records I don't gonna piss off .. Please give some respect to fellow members who are already far more longer active into the world of Media and Radio than you are. I started radio in 1978 !! To my details I started already radio at the time you where 3 years old !


This is why I don't belong in a hobbyists site.

Adam G is another member of the LLC. You are correct. Self-employed is not necessarily a Sole Proprietor.

I asked for your HELP in researching MFTU on streamfinder.com ... I have 0 resutls, and when I asked for your help, you said "I don't need to defend myself" ..so thanks for the help... MFTU returns one result on that site... please show differently, if you like.

in reality, I don't care. In the US, we do NOT have to link back to soundexchange or anything similar. thank you for the UK Knowledge...

I ALWAYS appreciated your information sharing... did I EVER disrespect you? DID I?

mrbook
03-13-2009, 05:18 PM
Obvisiouly not, that's why we don't need the likes of you around here :) any way congrats on being the first on my ignore list and becoming a troll. Good day sir

GKIye
03-13-2009, 05:31 PM
Is that THE reason ? For the reasons that I wrote into my reply ?

This is why I don't belong in a hobbyists site.
Man oh man .. I'm more professional than you can imagine !
If you are indeed not Adam G and you are not the physical owner of the domain mentioned into other topics you can't protect or take part to any subject who reflects to that issue
A domain is connected and exclusive to the physical owner of it, even its registrated to a compagny name DNS still needs a name of a physical owner and that ain't you

This is why I don't belong in a hobbyists site.
Adam G is another member of the LLC. You are correct. Self-employed is not necessarily a Sole Proprietor.
I ALWAYS appreciated your information sharing... did I EVER disrespect you? DID I?
ps : read the whole content of my replies and not only what you are willing to see
Concerning myself .. I wanna say .. Thats all folks !
There are other and more interesting subjects at BW !

Jinglemaster
03-13-2009, 05:51 PM
You're not even a broadcaster, you have real issues... forget the meds today?

Unbelievable... NO ONE CALLED YOU A HOBBYIST.

You still here?

Eban
03-13-2009, 06:01 PM
This thread is totally useless ... If you don't like the forum go away ! If you have some problems with somebody send private message ! You look like a child ...

I don't want to be rude but seriously, insulting everybody is totally stupid, you seem to be very immature ...

Eban

CyberFM
03-13-2009, 06:02 PM
You still here?

well, I keep getting these email replies, I don't understand how I turned on you? I've defended and utilized all VO guys here, I apparently have issues with other Broadcasters, because I didn't realize they were strictly hobbyists.

CyberFM
03-13-2009, 06:06 PM
Obvisiouly not, that's why we don't need the likes of you around here :) any way congrats on being the first on my ignore list and becoming a troll. Good day sir

Who are you?

kjkoning
03-13-2009, 06:10 PM
The funniest part of the whole thing is that none of the stations involved in this dispute get over 30-40 listeners max. Trust me, you can't run a business off that. It's a fantastic hobby though. The stations may be good, but it's nearly impossible to make any real advertising money off 200 listeners, let alone 40.

This isn't an attack on anyone, as streaming media is becoming the future very quickly. But to bring up a legal issue with another station on a public forum instead of by email or phone over a tiny internet station, well, that's been making me laugh pretty good the past couple days :)

CyberFM
03-13-2009, 06:13 PM
The funniest part of the whole thing is that none of the stations involved in this dispute get over 30-40 listeners max. Trust me, you can't run a business off that. It's a fantastic hobby though. The stations may be good, but it's nearly impossible to make any real advertising money off 200 listeners, let alone 40.

This isn't an attack on anyone, as streaming media is becoming the future very quickly. But to bring up a legal issue with another station on a public forum instead of by email or phone over a tiny internet station, well, that's been making me laugh pretty good the past couple days :)

You're looking at http://yp.shoutcast.com?

That's only one venue and only shoutcast servers.

fozzy
03-13-2009, 06:16 PM
Think Admin should close this topic now its boring

THREETEN RADIO
03-13-2009, 06:16 PM
The funniest part of the whole thing is that none of the stations involved in this dispute get over 30-40 listeners max. Trust me, you can't run a business off that. It's a fantastic hobby though. The stations may be good, but it's nearly impossible to make any real advertising money off 200 listeners, let alone 40.

This isn't an attack on anyone, as streaming media is becoming the future very quickly. But to bring up a legal issue with another station on a public forum instead of by email or phone over a tiny internet station, well, that's been making me laugh pretty good the past couple days :)I got 97 peak listeners once.... made my day that did, irrelevant here as I am not in this dispute but thought I'd mention it as quite good for a lowly hobbyist.
:kermit:

Eban
03-13-2009, 06:23 PM
Think Admin should close this topic now its boring

+1

Eban

CyberFM
03-13-2009, 06:23 PM
LOL, i'm going to hear the "hobbyist" thing forever now right?

We are still testing anyway. (See my first ever thread)... nothing is officially released.

If you like, feel free to watch http://cyber-fm.com/stats/total.php it updates every 30seconds.

Includes ICEcast boxes.

Eban
03-13-2009, 06:25 PM
WE DON'T CARE !!!!!!!!!!

Please James come and lock the topic !

Eban

THREETEN RADIO
03-13-2009, 06:26 PM
LOL, i'm going to hear the "hobbyist" thing forever now right?
That is a possibility......:p

CyberFM
03-13-2009, 06:37 PM
WE DON'T CARE !!!!!!!!!!

Please James come and lock the topic !

Eban

This entertains me, you can't humor me for my final day here?

Adam
03-13-2009, 07:00 PM
Woah! I'll leave this for James to read though, but until then, locked!

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