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    How do I report from apps?

    I made an iPhone and Android app that users can connect to my stations stream.

    StreamLicensing.com doesn't seem that it would support it as you have to use their site for your player? (doesn't seem to professional)

    and I keep reading about loudcity. Do you think i could set it up through them?

    Or do you guys know of any services I can use....
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    Personally I think you would be better having your own Shoutcast or Icecast server to use with your apps but then you would also have to sort out your own licensing

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    In the past, the general position of the Performance Rights Organizations is that if you are launching via an "app", you'd better be licensed directly with them and not through blanket arrangements like LoudCity or Stream Licensing. This isn't legal advice, just experience from the past. Most PROs are hung up on which domain(s) launch the stream. I suppose that's how they can track who's licensed and who isn't. Have you thought about a mobile web page instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dotme View Post
    In the past, the general position of the Performance Rights Organizations is that if you are launching via an "app", you'd better be licensed directly with them and not through blanket arrangements like LoudCity or Stream Licensing. This isn't legal advice, just experience from the past. Most PROs are hung up on which domain(s) launch the stream. I suppose that's how they can track who's licensed and who isn't. Have you thought about a mobile web page instead?
    I personally wan't to have as much simplicity as possible. I do already have mobile versions of my site up and running with a player, but that isn't simple. Whats simple and more professional is launching an Android and iPhone app as i already have.

    Fortunately, indieco.re isn't going to be playing a majority of signed artists, but as up and coming mixed in. I'd rather have everything on my end as I do now. But only PAYING for what i PLAY.

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    Apps is presently a sticky widget. I personally believe the time is coming when royalty law and royalty agreements will catch up with technology and present practice, but that time hasn't yet come. Speaking for StreamLicensing only, the reason StreamLicensing specifically cannot cover apps is because of the issues raised by dotme. We have agreements with most of the PRO's that will allow us to provide a StreamLicensing branded app for our affiliates but one of the PRO's is holding out for separate fees at a higher rate for streams launched via apps. The higher rate would not be economically viable for small stations.

    Many of our affiliates do use apps, and royalties are paid when these apps are used because the app tunes the listener into streams already monitored by StreamLicensing. The higher royalty fee required by one PRO isn't being paid in these cases, however. Thus, because of all these issues mentioned, the whole thing is kind of a gray area for most Internet broadcasters, not just StreamLicensing Affiliates.

    As I already said, I firmly believe the time is coming when this will be resolved because at this point, it is more or less inevitable and used so universally. Just my opinion though and not legal advice.

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    This subject is so tricky, and I really dont understand the idea of why all the pro's arn't on the program. If the app script redirects to a launch page, and something like Fancy box is used to alternate the station (because its still the same launch page, just using a little Jquery magic to alternate stations.) I dont see why The pro's would object this. As long as all the launch scripts are hosted from the JLA's server, and fancy box serves them up, off of a licensed page? wheres the no-no in this.
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