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    Quote Originally Posted by shoutcaststreaming View Post
    @Marvin .. being a LIVE365 broadcaster for several years (many years ago), I grew a dislike for their raising prices and inserting commercials into the streams.

    However, I am amazed that broadcasters would do such a dramatic switch from SHOUTcast to LIVE365.
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    I think the better question would be, why was the operation hunkered down in he first place. What happened to all the money? Clearly if they are now in negotiations with some other unnamed source to keep it all afloat, that means there were money issues. Bills were not getting paid. This is why I have always been weary of giving money to a third party to pay licensing fees. Even though the end result would be less paid on my behalf, it is still scary of what could happen when 3rd parties receive so much money from their clients. Some may have even start paying their own bills. Just like setting up a fake fund raising page on one of those sites where you get people to donate funds for a victim of some tragic storm or natural disaster. You don't know these people who claim to be family members taking up a collection for "help".

    Still no one has even bothered to ask this question, as if it's ok to do with the money what they please. There are no regulations in this industry. It's a trust @ your own risk kind of scenario. These are not mega corporations. They are word of mouth operations, that survive on the money of small webcasters-and that's scary! What's stopping the next SWC from setting up shop?
    I mean do I just wake up one day and say, hey, I want to create a company that covers licensing for small webcasters. Let me put up a page with a nice PS logo(who doesn't know how to do that in 2014?), slap a FREE bulletin board on the site, gain popularity from all of the broadcasting sites and viola! There is absolutely no financial loss on the part of the scammer, because everything can be obtained without paying one red cent: domain names, webhosting, bulletin boards, photoshop, right-click or google a few logos for use on your site to make it all seem real, etc. Come on, I have been online since 1997. I've seen a lot of mess. Most already have programming and design skills, so creating a hot site is no problem. There is only room for financial GAIN! I mean come on, the list goes on. And I am tired of seeing the same result from these so-called licensing agencies. The integrity of humans has to start and end with total honesty.

    The same way people got dropped from LC is the same kind of doubt you need to place upon them, when they suddenly reappear with this unnamed suitor. - especially since there has been no professionally written, detailed account of why they shut down in the first place.

    I work a regular M-F 8-5 and bust my ass for every dollar I get. And I'm not accusing anyone of anything, I'm just calling it as I see it, or as I can speculate on it. I'm not willing to waste my money and then be told , that's it... see ya!
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    @Urban, Well said. I am paying a few dollars more for SL, but I plan to stick with SL for the foreseeable future. Marvin seems to have his act together and from what I have heard about him he is a good guy and is active in the community. I hope no one who has switched decides to switch back if LC is back in operation. Marvin bent over backwards to accommodate those of us who were effected by the LC announcement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urban Hitz Radio View Post
    Clearly if they are now in negotiations with some other unnamed source to keep it all afloat, that means there were money issues. Bills were not getting paid.
    Or it could be that the guy in charge just got tired of it and closed the doors, only to be approached by someone else who was interested in taking it over. Point is, you don't know and making assumptions that have no basis in fact is extremely unfair to the parties involved.

    Marvin is indeed working long hours to accommodate former LoudCity customers and deserves both credit and the extra business. StreamLicensing is a well-run company with good infrastructure, staff and overall approach to the business. I'm working with them helping LoudCity clients make the switch and my own station is headed over there within the next week or so.

    I'm thrilled that there's still options open for small webcasters, but I'm also grateful to LoudCity for 9 years of operation, their willingness to take on as many SWCast refugees as possible, and their involvement in the CRB royalty mess a few years back. Personally, LoudCity doesn't owe me anything - including a "professional letter".

    I'm just appreciative they were around when they were, and I'm ready to move forward and explore everything that StreamLicensing has to offer.

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    @dotme - John .. thank you for all your help the past 9 years. You were always the cool level headed person who bent over backwards to help everyone (including me) out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shoutcaststreaming View Post
    @dotme - John .. thank you for all your help the past 9 years. You were always the cool level headed person who bent over backwards to help everyone (including me) out.
    Thanks for the kind words! I've met so many nice people in the webcasting community over the years and I feel very lucky.

    Oh.. and before anyone speculates, I am not the "interested party" lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoutcaststreaming View Post
    @EZRyder .. well yeah, but who in their right mind wants to spend $160 per month for their premium service. I was on a tight budget and that amount of money was outrageous.

    Valid point, though my utility bills come out to more than $160/month. That doesn't seem like much money to pay for the expense of having a 100% legal, licensed internet radio station. You know, I never developed it into a big business, but when viewing $160 as a business expense... i dunno, that just seems like a very small amount of money. To give some perspective, it costs over $700/month just in rent for my music studio. And it's basically a glorified box.

    If you're on a tight budget, I definitely understand.. but I felt the fees were on-par with what I was using. Sure beats the $2,000 it takes to get with SoundExchange, plus all the logging and reporting I'd have to manually do, plus the % of income I'd have to give to BMI, ASCAP and SESAC... ooof. that stuff is too complicated for me... i've tried to understand it.

    How was LoudCity or StreamLicensing with the reporting? I've never had a chance to use them so I can't compare..

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    Credibility is important and I understand concerns expressed in previous posts. One way you can tell if we are paying the fees on behalf of our broadcasters is to look at the list SoundExchange publishes. See: http://www.soundexchange.com/wp-cont...t-10-15-13.pdf

    If by reporting, you mean does StreamLicensing file reports on time? The answer is yes. If by reporting you mean do we get the data automatically from your stream server? The answer is yes. Can you log in and see your ATH for the last 24 hours, seven days, or 30 days, yes. I think what is being asked is do we take the hassle away from reporting. The answer is a big YES!

    If by reporting you mean do we make the music reports we file to the PRO's available to you? The answer is no because they are aggregated reports of all stations, and to share an aggregated report a) would violate privacy of all other stations involved and b) is such a large report that many machines have trouble opening the file and manipulating the data. The financial reports are based on agreements with the PRO's that can't be legally shared, even if we otherwise wanted to.

    And just a word re. LoudCity. My hat is off to LoudCity's work over the years. I was a LoudCity broadcaster when SWCast went down and LoudCity filled up to capacity. I started StreamLicensing at that time to meet the need of broadcasters who had nowhere to go. While I am able and glad to provide a new licensing home for LoudCity clients needing our service, I am not happy to see LoudCity disappear. The service they provide has been of great value to small to mid-size broadcasters.

    John has been and is a great help in supporting the transitions over to StreamLicensing. I appreciated his help many years ago when I was a LoudCity broadcaster and I especially appreciate his help now as our team provides the support sometimes needed when a LoudCity broadcaster becomes a new StreamLicensing Affiliate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin View Post
    And just a word re. LoudCity. My hat is off to LoudCity's work over the years. I was a LoudCity broadcaster when SWCast went down and LoudCity filled up to capacity. I started StreamLicensing at that time to meet the need of broadcasters who had nowhere to go. While I am able and glad to provide a new licensing home for LoudCity clients needing our service, I am not happy to see LoudCity disappear. The service they provide has been of great value to small to mid-size broadcasters.
    Speaking of "filled up to capacity" is this a concern for your company Marvin? Is their a cap on the number stations or ATH hours that StreamLicensing can handle? If so, are you near approaching that limit with the influx of LoudCity refugees? Woudl it be wise for those "on-the-fence" to sign up now rather than later?

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    I purchased enough ATH from SoundExchange to handle all of Loudcity and more. Agreements with the other PRO's do not have caps. The real issue is if too many wait til the last minute and require Affiliate support to make the transition, support will be the bottleneck. I'm guesstimating about a 1/3 of those who many need StreamLicensing coverage have already made the transition. That leaves a significant number who haven't yet made the plunge. Even with several of us working support, the response time could extend to a couple of days or more if we get a large surge at the end.

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