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    Quote Originally Posted by deephouselounge View Post
    If you are serious about this you really need to get your own dedicated machines. Relying on another company (most cheap ones will make you pull your hair out) and the hosting companies that offer quality hosting are just as much if not more than renting your own dedicated machine.

    Now the drawbacks of having your machine is that you need the knowledge or deal with the growing pains of learning. But you have full control over your entire company.
    Dedicated server hosting is out of reach for most hobby and small stations budgets. Stream hosts offer the ability to stream at a much lower TCO than a dedicated server host. A dedicated server host usually charges for bandwidth in addition to the bare metal and/or managed hosting costs. With a stream host the monthly, quarterly or yearly cost is much more suitably priced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andhow
    Dedicated server hosting is out of reach for most hobby and small stations budgets
    Only less than 5% of our customers get a dedicated server for their streaming. Why? Probably because it's un-managed, as are most dedicated servers, and it takes a lot of knowledge to keep it running and lock it down from hackers. A managed server usually costs 2 - 3 times the monthly cost of an un-managed server.

    True, if you have the technical ability and the money to get one, and have the # of listeners to warrant it, then it can save you money. Most of our clients have 100 or less listeners, so getting a dedicated server is borderline profitable.

    Even our biggest clients (FM & AM radio stations) don't use a dedicated server. They have enough going on and don't need the hassle.
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    You can get a VPS or even a dedicated machine from a reputable company for $20-$40 a month. Check out webhostingtalk forum and you will find a lot of top notch companies. Although make sure you get a reputable company and not a fly by night hosting company.

    Take the time and learn linux. Most streaming companies oversell their servers which will cause your stream to be choppy. Having full control over your machine is worth it.

    If you cant afford that then I guess you are kinda at the mercy of shoutcast hosting companies. I have tried A LOT of shoutcast hosting companies before I got my dedicated machine. The best one I have ever tried would be this company http://www.reliastream.com/




    Quote Originally Posted by andhow View Post
    Dedicated server hosting is out of reach for most hobby and small stations budgets. Stream hosts offer the ability to stream at a much lower TCO than a dedicated server host. A dedicated server host usually charges for bandwidth in addition to the bare metal and/or managed hosting costs. With a stream host the monthly, quarterly or yearly cost is much more suitably priced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shoutcaststreaming View Post
    Only less than 5% of our customers get a dedicated server for their streaming. Why? Probably because it's un-managed, as are most dedicated servers, and it takes a lot of knowledge to keep it running and lock it down from hackers. A managed server usually costs 2 - 3 times the monthly cost of an un-managed server.

    True, if you have the technical ability and the money to get one, and have the # of listeners to warrant it, then it can save you money. Most of our clients have 100 or less listeners, so getting a dedicated server is borderline profitable.

    Even our biggest clients (FM & AM radio stations) don't use a dedicated server. They have enough going on and don't need the hassle.
    Agreed.

    It's really up to the end user. Most people just want to get up and running without a large hassle, cost and learning curve. This is why stream hosts are so popular with shared bandwidth servers. It's the same with web hosting.

    Sure, if you have the knowledge and time to learn Linux/operating servers, you may take that up. But in the end, people aren't dumb. They will go for what suits their needs at the time. It's called scalability and not spending too much for something you don't need.

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    up to 5000 Slots
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    as vtec in good old germany inklusive TEKLAB starts at 9.99€ and ends at 31€

    as stream only with autdj:
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    Starts at 10€ and open end if u have special ideas for your stream

    u can order a komplett webradio station form 15€ up to 35€

    if anybody lookin for some off them u can find it here : http://g-factory.de

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    Quote Originally Posted by netsoundradio View Post
    up to 5000 Slots
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    as vtec in good old germany inklusive TEKLAB starts at 9.99€ and ends at 31€

    as stream only with autdj:
    128KBit up to 320KBit
    50 Slots up to 200 Slots
    3GB AutoDJ up to 10GB AutoDJ
    5 Slots Teststream
    Starts at 10€ and open end if u have special ideas for your stream

    u can order a komplett webradio station form 15€ up to 35€

    if anybody lookin for some off them u can find it here : http://g-factory.de

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    Howe long u can stream with more then 500 listner

    Quote Originally Posted by MarcAlle View Post
    I'd love to see how long I could stream a 500+ user station on this host before I got axed...
    i have this configuration since 29.7.2011 and for now i have only 4 times probs with it.

    2 times was my own fold. i have delete in a running system the pid's
    1 time there was a servercrash in the rz
    and 1 time it was a fail by a worker with his catapillar they think its funny to cut a fiberglass

    if u want test it, a can give u a testsream without autodj but with 500 slots and 128/192/256Kbit.
    u must only send me a mail over my radiowebsite http://netsoundradio.eu and the needed bitrate. then u can test it... i will say 4 weeks.

    this offer i will give to 4 more guys.

    is the configuration okay for the tester he should make a contract. if the contract over me, we could make a deal with the price. if the deal with my hoster, i cant change the price.

    Deal or not...

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    Different companies offer different pricing, some of this has no reflect on the quality of the service you receive at all. I have had customers coming to us stating they are paying 3-4 times as much, and we offer them a better service for a lot less with better support etc - though generally, once a stream is set up there hasn't been much need for support in my experience.

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    With some basic knowledge you can just get a server from say OVH or Hetzner and run your own box. There' s nothing complicated about it especially for basic setups.
    Last edited by deaddred; 12-09-2014 at 11:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    I agree. Most stream host providers are not professional companies, just individuals renting out space on a server they rented. They are hoping some day they will rent out enough space on several servers to quit their day jobs. And all of them offer old Shoutcast/Icecast technology. Suckers are born every minute as the old saying goes.
    I'm just using some spare power from my OVH (SoYouStart.com) box that I use for game servers. I pay about $55 for it (E3/32BGRAM/SSD) with enough bandwith/data transfer to never run out. Their network has been pretty good so far I even had a ping running in Tmux that I forgot about from my Montreal OVH server to my Paris Kimsufi server and it ran for 42 days lol with 0 packet loss shown.

    You can get a $20 VPS with more than enough power to run your station.

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