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    Music Licensing Prices

    Arent they getting a bit too high? I mean just for a song to be played, its like 3 times as much as buying a cd. Well where i live it does anyway :(
    How much are you guys paying? Should we start a petition? :curse:

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    Music Licensing Prices

    Arent they getting a bit too high? I mean just for a song to be played, its like 3 times as much as buying a cd. Well where i live it does anyway :(
    How much are you guys paying? Should we start a petition? :curse:

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    Re: Music Licensing Prices

    I agree too much is too much. Not quite at the stage for a petition. BUT! Its a good idea, we might in the future Im sure the ARIA would love to hear about it

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    Re: Music Licensing Prices

    I agree too much is too much. Not quite at the stage for a petition. BUT! Its a good idea, we might in the future Im sure the ARIA would love to hear about it

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    Re: Music Licensing Prices

    Quote Originally Posted by MADcHATTER
    Yes licensing is getting rediculous as is Royalty Payments. Terrestrial Radio (AM/FM) traditionally is licensed to broadcast and only pays a miniscule amount for Composers/Songwriters. They havent paid a performance royalty for their entire existance. Why? Because they see their playing the music and a "Promotional Service"...and yet Internet Radio does exactly the same thing. But under the CRB decision here in the states, we're expected to pay 150% of revenues for royalties. Not to mention licensing under the RIAA at exhorbitant rates.

    This is why I moved our server to France ala NAFTA! They've made it impossible to do this unless we sell more advertising than we play music just to pay the bills. Under the CRB decision for 60,000 listener hours a year, a Internet Radio Station would be expected to pay $86,000.00! Considering most have less than $2,000 a year in income...thats not designed to be fair or equitable. That is designed to put Internet Radio itself out of business. Why? Because the CRB was instituted by Congress, and is run by the Librarian of Congress and most of Congress is in the pocket of the RIAA and labels. Internet Radio's death means Terrestrial Radio wins and the labels control that. The best thing that ever happened to the RIAA was when we got a Democrat controlled congress.

    The RIAA has given itself the power to collect royalties for bands who arent even members of the RIAA under their own Compulsory License Scheme. This means if you have a band (wether you with a label or not or are in the US or not), and you give your music to an Internet Radio station and they play it, the RIAA can collect money from that station and keep it! Unless you Join the RIAA and, after a nominal fee of course, they would pay you pennys on the dollar!

    The rates the CRB came up with break down like this. If you play 1 song, and 30 people hear it...you have to pay a royalty for EACH LISTENER...not the song you played. so 1 song times 30 listeners at .008 each is .24 cents. Most stations play 16 songs an hour...assuming you still have that 30 listeners for that hour thats $3.84. If you broadcast 16 hours a day thats $61.44 for that day. Broadcast 5 days a week, thats $307.20 or $1228.00 a month or $14,754.60 a year. Thats still more than most Internet Stations would make in 10 years.

    This is the quandry we're in and, I hate to say it, but many countries will soon be in as well. The RIAA isnt just an american problem after all...they represent the LABELS! And the labels are worldwide! They have their own Royalty Collection agancies in many countries. They dont want us around because they cant control us like AM/FM. So they will manipulate the legalities of it all to get rid of us!

    MADcHATTER
    nice read! sadly australias getting into it. I recently saw on the ariacharts site (aussie music) that the ppca was advertising. And that means they are cracking down. Therew as never a site for aussies that you had to pay royalties. Now there is.. :( http://www.ppca.com.au/licence_form.aspx

    BUT, on that page it doesnt state about internet radio. I will contact them and find out and let you guys know

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    Re: Music Licensing Prices

    Yes licensing is getting rediculous as is Royalty Payments. Terrestrial Radio (AM/FM) traditionally is licensed to broadcast and only pays a miniscule amount for Composers/Songwriters. They havent paid a performance royalty for their entire existance. Why? Because they see their playing the music and a "Promotional Service"...and yet Internet Radio does exactly the same thing. But under the CRB decision here in the states, we're expected to pay 150% of revenues for royalties. Not to mention licensing under the RIAA at exhorbitant rates.

    This is why I moved our server to France ala NAFTA! They've made it impossible to do this unless we sell more advertising than we play music just to pay the bills. Under the CRB decision for 60,000 listener hours a year, a Internet Radio Station would be expected to pay $86,000.00! Considering most have less than $2,000 a year in income...thats not designed to be fair or equitable. That is designed to put Internet Radio itself out of business. Why? Because the CRB was instituted by Congress, and is run by the Librarian of Congress and most of Congress is in the pocket of the RIAA and labels. Internet Radio's death means Terrestrial Radio wins and the labels control that. The best thing that ever happened to the RIAA was when we got a Democrat controlled congress.

    The RIAA has given itself the power to collect royalties for bands who arent even members of the RIAA under their own Compulsory License Scheme. This means if you have a band (wether you with a label or not or are in the US or not), and you give your music to an Internet Radio station and they play it, the RIAA can collect money from that station and keep it! Unless you Join the RIAA and, after a nominal fee of course, they would pay you pennys on the dollar!

    The rates the CRB came up with break down like this. If you play 1 song, and 30 people hear it...you have to pay a royalty for EACH LISTENER...not the song you played. so 1 song times 30 listeners at .008 each is .24 cents. Most stations play 16 songs an hour...assuming you still have that 30 listeners for that hour thats $3.84. If you broadcast 16 hours a day thats $61.44 for that day. Broadcast 5 days a week, thats $307.20 or $1228.00 a month or $14,754.60 a year. Thats still more than most Internet Stations would make in 10 years.

    This is the quandry we're in and, I hate to say it, but many countries will soon be in as well. The RIAA isnt just an american problem after all...they represent the LABELS! And the labels are worldwide! They have their own Royalty Collection agancies in many countries. They dont want us around because they cant control us like AM/FM. So they will manipulate the legalities of it all to get rid of us!

    MADcHATTER

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    Re: Music Licensing Prices

    Quote Originally Posted by MADcHATTER
    Yes licensing is getting rediculous as is Royalty Payments. Terrestrial Radio (AM/FM) traditionally is licensed to broadcast and only pays a miniscule amount for Composers/Songwriters. They havent paid a performance royalty for their entire existance. Why? Because they see their playing the music and a "Promotional Service"...and yet Internet Radio does exactly the same thing. But under the CRB decision here in the states, we're expected to pay 150% of revenues for royalties. Not to mention licensing under the RIAA at exhorbitant rates.

    This is why I moved our server to France ala NAFTA! They've made it impossible to do this unless we sell more advertising than we play music just to pay the bills. Under the CRB decision for 60,000 listener hours a year, a Internet Radio Station would be expected to pay $86,000.00! Considering most have less than $2,000 a year in income...thats not designed to be fair or equitable. That is designed to put Internet Radio itself out of business. Why? Because the CRB was instituted by Congress, and is run by the Librarian of Congress and most of Congress is in the pocket of the RIAA and labels. Internet Radio's death means Terrestrial Radio wins and the labels control that. The best thing that ever happened to the RIAA was when we got a Democrat controlled congress.

    The RIAA has given itself the power to collect royalties for bands who arent even members of the RIAA under their own Compulsory License Scheme. This means if you have a band (wether you with a label or not or are in the US or not), and you give your music to an Internet Radio station and they play it, the RIAA can collect money from that station and keep it! Unless you Join the RIAA and, after a nominal fee of course, they would pay you pennys on the dollar!

    The rates the CRB came up with break down like this. If you play 1 song, and 30 people hear it...you have to pay a royalty for EACH LISTENER...not the song you played. so 1 song times 30 listeners at .008 each is .24 cents. Most stations play 16 songs an hour...assuming you still have that 30 listeners for that hour thats $3.84. If you broadcast 16 hours a day thats $61.44 for that day. Broadcast 5 days a week, thats $307.20 or $1228.00 a month or $14,754.60 a year. Thats still more than most Internet Stations would make in 10 years.

    This is the quandry we're in and, I hate to say it, but many countries will soon be in as well. The RIAA isnt just an american problem after all...they represent the LABELS! And the labels are worldwide! They have their own Royalty Collection agancies in many countries. They dont want us around because they cant control us like AM/FM. So they will manipulate the legalities of it all to get rid of us!

    MADcHATTER
    nice read! sadly australias getting into it. I recently saw on the ariacharts site (aussie music) that the ppca was advertising. And that means they are cracking down. Therew as never a site for aussies that you had to pay royalties. Now there is.. :( http://www.ppca.com.au/licence_form.aspx

    BUT, on that page it doesnt state about internet radio. I will contact them and find out and let you guys know

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    Re: Music Licensing Prices

    Yes licensing is getting rediculous as is Royalty Payments. Terrestrial Radio (AM/FM) traditionally is licensed to broadcast and only pays a miniscule amount for Composers/Songwriters. They havent paid a performance royalty for their entire existance. Why? Because they see their playing the music and a "Promotional Service"...and yet Internet Radio does exactly the same thing. But under the CRB decision here in the states, we're expected to pay 150% of revenues for royalties. Not to mention licensing under the RIAA at exhorbitant rates.

    This is why I moved our server to France ala NAFTA! They've made it impossible to do this unless we sell more advertising than we play music just to pay the bills. Under the CRB decision for 60,000 listener hours a year, a Internet Radio Station would be expected to pay $86,000.00! Considering most have less than $2,000 a year in income...thats not designed to be fair or equitable. That is designed to put Internet Radio itself out of business. Why? Because the CRB was instituted by Congress, and is run by the Librarian of Congress and most of Congress is in the pocket of the RIAA and labels. Internet Radio's death means Terrestrial Radio wins and the labels control that. The best thing that ever happened to the RIAA was when we got a Democrat controlled congress.

    The RIAA has given itself the power to collect royalties for bands who arent even members of the RIAA under their own Compulsory License Scheme. This means if you have a band (wether you with a label or not or are in the US or not), and you give your music to an Internet Radio station and they play it, the RIAA can collect money from that station and keep it! Unless you Join the RIAA and, after a nominal fee of course, they would pay you pennys on the dollar!

    The rates the CRB came up with break down like this. If you play 1 song, and 30 people hear it...you have to pay a royalty for EACH LISTENER...not the song you played. so 1 song times 30 listeners at .008 each is .24 cents. Most stations play 16 songs an hour...assuming you still have that 30 listeners for that hour thats $3.84. If you broadcast 16 hours a day thats $61.44 for that day. Broadcast 5 days a week, thats $307.20 or $1228.00 a month or $14,754.60 a year. Thats still more than most Internet Stations would make in 10 years.

    This is the quandry we're in and, I hate to say it, but many countries will soon be in as well. The RIAA isnt just an american problem after all...they represent the LABELS! And the labels are worldwide! They have their own Royalty Collection agancies in many countries. They dont want us around because they cant control us like AM/FM. So they will manipulate the legalities of it all to get rid of us!

    MADcHATTER

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    Re: Music Licensing Prices

    I agree. The royalty fees are way too high. It is killing internet radio.

    -Patrick

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    I agree. The royalty fees are way too high. It is killing internet radio.

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