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    It's actually not that far fetched of an idea.

    The pirate bay contemplated buying an old ww2 gun platform in the north sea, to set up operations.
    www.thelocal.se/6076/20070112/

    All the us casino operators set up shop in central America when they were ruled illegal by congress. The casino operators had to set up their web hosting in central america as well.

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    But has anyone specifically heard anything about these new changes requiring webcasters to have licensing in every country their stream will be received? I'm still waiting on a response from ARPA, record associations take forever to reply.

    2 issues with what you guys have said so far too.

    (1) are you seriously going to tell me Britney Spears or Metalica or Emiem or whoever else don't get paid in the millions? Seriously? They live off royalties... they get bucket loads of cash from them. They're not poor musicians at all. Indeed it's individual musicians who are leading the biggest charge against mp3 downloads on peer-2-peer networking. The 3 I mentioned above are most noted in this and have been known to sue individual people for it. I don't have a problem paying royalties, but I do have a problem paying royalties multiple times over for playing a song on my station.

    (2) Governments have little to do with these issues. Indeed the regulatory body you pay royalties to isn't government run. They are industry organisations, founded by the Major record labels. These changes they I'm asking about haven't come from Government, they've come from the record labels. Which goes back to my original question. We're talking about the same record labels being the founders of the regulatory bodies for licensing and royalties for media streaming. It seems rather greedy and illogical they would ask for us to pay royalty fees multiple times over for each country we stream to.

    So why, given they are the same Record labels involved in every country, have they not set up an international Regulatory Authority to deal with webcasters?

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    By the way, if you're looking to find a copyright free region. I suggest you look no further than the Russian Federation. Their copyright laws are rather lax and their policing of these issues is even more lax.

    The Russian Federation is responsible for an over whelming percentage of the pirated content on the internet today. Be that software, music or movies. There are a number of major download sites which have been around for a LOT longer than piratebay and offer far more content which are run from inside the russian federation. They have no litigation brought against them because of this fact, which is why we never hear about them in the mainstream media. Because they have no way to take these sites down, they try and limit the amount of people who know about them instead.

    The problem however is, you would have to reside in the russian federation as well to be truly out of bounds to litigation. Residing in the UK, US or Australia would lead you to still be taken down for copyright infringement even though your steam is based in the russian federation. There are a lot of legal loop holes they can use to prosecute you for these offenses.

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    Interesting !
    I found also some other Micronations ... following 2 links of :
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    part 2 : http://www.sealandnews.com/lands-dow...art-2_223.html

    Sealand has also a FaceBook profile : http://www.facebook.com/PrincipalityOfSealand
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    are you seriously going to tell me Britney Spears or Metalica or Emiem or whoever else don't get paid in the millions?

    Hey, I was talking about MUSICIANS ;-)
    You are right of course!

    I meant the plethora of guys I know who played session on a massive hit in the 60/70/80s and hardly receive a panny... just the ordinary guy I often meet in the pub!

    I was on a Heavy Rock station at the time Metallica moaned and moaned about Napster, I point blank refused to play them ever again! I nearly got sacked over it, but I guess my boss needed me more than Metallica!
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    So why, given they are the same Record labels involved in every country, have they not set up an international Regulatory Authority to deal with webcasters?
    That is the million dollar question.

    The concept of having a International body responsible for royalties makes far too much sense.

    Why you ask ?

    1. Each national organization can "dictate" terms as they see fit, regardless of what other national organizations are doing.

    2. Each national organization is only accountable to itself. There is no international regulatory oversite.

    3. Creative accounting principals can be used to maximize retained royalties vs actually paying those royalties out to artists.

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    I think its about time all this rubbish has to stop. Sure the artist took time to write the music, but they did get paid when the music was sold. You don't have to pay every time you use a keyboard or use a pen. Do you pay the car designer every time you use your car or boil a jug. Sure some of the artist's get money from royalties, but I bet my life that most don't. These collection people are getting the money just to pay their own wage's and keep themselves in a job.
    What about all the money people who have shops that play music in them, think of all the millions they get from them. Do the shops have to provide a playlist of who, when or how many times they played some artist, no they don't. Where is all that money going to.
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    You know, a thought occurred to me. ( That is indeed a rare virtue of mind :D )

    The WTO ( World Trade Organization ) takes care of matters related to trade and copyright issues. The case of royalty payment falls under copyright issues.

    There are various regional associations that were established to enhance WTO policies. ( European Union, NAFTA etc. )

    What about a couple of european / north american stations submitting letters to their regional trade organization and request that they look into the royalty licensing issue ?

    The whole point of these trade organizations is to stream line copyright / trade issues.

    Hell - i bet the 1 pirate party person in the EU parliament would jump on this !

    It would be a fantastically huge feather in Broadcasting World's Hat to launch such a campaign for a standardized - GLOBAL licensing system for royalty payment. Just think of the publicity we would get. You couldn't get that kind of publicity without spending a kings ransom.

    It's not like we are asking for dismisal of the concept, all we are asking is a FAIR and EQUITABLE policy that is UNIVERSAL.

    GO team GO !

    I will even help coordinate the project if need be.

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    The main national collection societies : www.bemuso.com/musicbiz/collectionsocieties.html#themainnationalcollection societies

    Each of these countries are recognized members of the WTO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johny c View Post
    I think its about time all this rubbish has to stop. Sure the artist took time to write the music, but they did get paid when the music was sold. You don't have to pay every time you use a keyboard or use a pen. Do you pay the car designer every time you use your car or boil a jug. Sure some of the artist's get money from royalties, but I bet my life that most don't. These collection people are getting the money just to pay their own wage's and keep themselves in a job.
    What about all the money people who have shops that play music in them, think of all the millions they get from them. Do the shops have to provide a playlist of who, when or how many times they played some artist, no they don't. Where is all that money going to.
    My 2 cents worth that I don't have.

    Actually johny c in Australia at least (I'm not sure of licensing requirements elsewhere) yes retail outlets who play music in their stores DO have to provide a playlist to ARPA and do pay royalties. Royalties must be paid for the public performance of any copyrighted material be it music, movies or otherwise. This includes but is in no way limited to radio stations, television stations, webcasters, retail outlets, those places you can purchase legal MP3s, and so forth. Anywhere the copyrighted martial is publicly accessible royalties must be paid and a list drawn up.

    The requirement of the list is so the right people get paid the right amount. A better comparison to royalty payments would be software. If for example you purchased a game, you have purchased it with a specific license which grants YOU the ability to play the game in a private setting. You have only payed enough for just you. Now if you were to take that same game and set it up in a shopping mall with a coin slot to play the game, you'd be violating the agreement because you didn't pay for a public release, you only payed for a private home copy.

    Same goes for music, movies and so forth. You pay only for a private home copy. The amount you pay when you purchased your copy is calculated based on the average amount of persons whom would come in contact and benefit from a private home copy of said content, given it is used in such a way. You have not paid for a public release copy. A simpler way of looking at is like this. If you where allowed to do what you wanted with your copy of a song then technically 1 person could purchase a copy of the song and then broadcast it across the world on repeat so other people wouldn't have a need to purchase the song which would mean the studio couldn't cover costs let alone pay the artist or turn a profit. Simularly if you where allowed to do what you wanted with it, you could make tons of copies and give them away to everyone having the same effect.

    Paying royalties for the broadcast of copyrighted material is fair. What isn't fair is asking that we pay royalty multiple times over for the same broadcast. That to me is unacceptable.

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