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    Webcaster Licensing changes

    Web radio has always been a copyrights and royalties disaster but now it seems it might be getting worse.

    I heard recently that the UK's royalty authority the PPL have advised their license holders that they are no longer covered for royalties for streams heard outside of the UK. That is to say, if someone anywhere else in the world picks up your stream, your not covered. Apparently you're now expected to get royalty coverage in each individual country. To me this sounds a really stupid and entirely greedy position to take, after all it means artists would get paid several times over for their song being played.

    I've written to the Australian equivilant (APRA) to find out if this is indeed now the case, but as use they are slow in their reply. If to be legal we were required to either geolock a station or be forced to get licensing in every country capable of picking up the stream then this could be a serious problem for most web radio broadcasters. I know my stations wouldn't be able to remain legal if that was the case. Why they haven't set up a centralized authority to cover web radio licensing is beyond me.

    Has anyone else heard anything about this? And if so, what can you tell me about it all.

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    The whole thing is a complete and utter JOKE!
    Greedy people screwing life up for ordinary people, yep! That is life in the 21st Century!
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    Thats right Arthur ...
    Quote Originally Posted by arthurburton View Post
    That is life in the 21st Century!
    No decade is perfect .. but there are currently so many things happening at the internet (poker, abuse, porn etc etc) and those do earn LOTS of money
    Do they pay taxes ? I don't think so ...
    The best example of this is a popular poker site who is registrated at the Isle of Man : free of charge and no taxes
    The rich ones are getting richer
    and the low and middle class can only say "yes I'm gonna pay" when asked
    At Europe We have already a chip at Our ID card ... maybe the next decade into Our head ? Who knows ... :Z:
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    More things will move underground.

    I totally understand the concept of paying artists royalty fee's and I agree with that, however - this is not about compensating artists - this is about control.

    The recording industry screams bloody murder about missed revenue for their "clients", but so many of their "clients" get mere pennies * if that * for their contractual obligations - even with a solid royalty payment system.

    Unless you stream public domain or creative commons music, you must pay a royalty payment. So, if you stream Indie Music - you are obliged to pay royalty fees to the appropriate agency for your country. Please tell me - how in the planet of hell is that musical royalty agency going to track down that Indie artist and pay him / her. Short answer - the cheques in the mail ..... also known as .... Snow Balls Chane In Hell.

    Here is your legal question for the day ........ Think carefully on this.

    What if the source of your media stream is in country "A", and your media streaming server location is in country "B". How long - before some brilliant politician or mindless bureaucrat decides that the media stream needs to be licensed for both the source of the stream and the media server location ?

    You paid your royalties for your streaming source - HOWEVER - does the country hosting the media server recognize that fact that you paid the royalties for another location ? Hrmmmmm ?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

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    I agree Saint ...
    problem is that politicians who leads their departements don't have the right knowledge of how everything is managed operational ...
    however one of their co-members comes up with an idea and they gonna tell Us what to do.
    Its a fact that more and more projects have their server at country A, their webspace hosted at country B and are using a streamprovider at country C
    By doing this that project is not willing to be illegal, but they are in search for the best service for the lowest price as possible .. and its a fact that changing servers is that easy as 1, 2, 3 ... its a business between providers and customers ...
    It gonna take a lot of time, maybe decades, untill everything is managed to one level
    Time will tell ... I suppose ...
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    A lot of the internet stations I listen to are well known to be "illegal" as in not paying royalties. They are well established and been going for years. Good luck to them I say.

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    Me too James, I am sick of these greedy B**tards taking all the time- and then not passing on the money to the poor musicians!!!

    They only get a pittance whilst these guys live in big houses and drive new cars-- THEY are the one's who should be hunted down!
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    I think its time to find a nice quiet little country that is not a member of the World Trade Organization or Musical Mafia cartel and set up a server farm there

    No hassle, no fuss - just music streaming.

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    Any suggestions ?
    It would be a great idea to do some brainstorming about this subject :biggrinthumb:
    Quote Originally Posted by saint View Post
    I think its time to find a nice quiet little country that is not a member of the World Trade Organization or Musical Mafia cartel and set up a server farm there
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    It's actually not that far fetched of an idea.

    The pirate bay contemplated buying an old ww2 gun platform in the north sea, to set up operations.
    www.thelocal.se/6076/20070112/

    All the us casino operators set up shop in central America when they got chased out by enacted legislation. They had to set up their web hosting locally as well.

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