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  1. #11
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    Loads of over reaction here. 10 posts is excessive ...I really fear the way the site is going at the moment. I dont see that there is a problem........don't let the few spoil this site. We either do feebies or we dont. Simple as .........I fear soon we will introduce hanging for anyone that requests a freebie....... Its simple either you do it or you don't. Lets not get to hung up on rules....Hey just my thoughts.


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    you're right Mark, it's up to the vo's to do it or not and with the rules James has made must help the guys sorry and girls

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    It's always up to the vo people to respond, or not. I think the point is that to benefit everyone, the requester should be active on BW, not just join ask for a voiceover never to be heard from again, until they want another vo done.

    My suggestions were meant to promote that objective, the numbers were off the top of my head. Free can lead to payed and that's a good thing. Making it too hard to get free can deter people from even asking. A thank you or giving rep should be expected as a minimum I would think.

    To be blunt, if you don't want to do free, don't. If you do, then do. People are creatures of habit, I want this, I did what I needed to do get it, I'm done. If they have to do 10 posts to get it, they will. They may not say thank you or give a rep because they did the 10 required posts. Dang if you do, Dang if you don't.

    I honestly don't know the right answer since it involves so many people with so many different opinions.

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    I pay for all of my voice overs. If someone is going to use their talents, then they should be paid for them. I wouldn't pay for voice imaging unless I was happy with it though.

    I get one for free every now and then, but that is because I am such a good customer. I think that the good radio stations that have the financial support should have great sounding imaging. The ones that don't...don't. It is really that simple.

    I like that James has created a minimum post limit.

    I have more a of a problem with radio stations who don't pay their licensing fees.
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    andhow "I have more a of a problem with radio stations who don't pay their licensing fees"

    I don't mean to sound rude or anything but. People not paying fees has nothing to do with an income from doing work for people. I'm sure if someone doesn't pay the fess it isn't going to hurt you in anyway. It isn't money and time out of your pocket. If you spent hours doing voice overs and got nothing in return. Then it becomes a pain in the backside and you just end up saying forget it.

    BW has lost a lot of voice over artists and they where some of the best voice over artists around.

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    I posted a topic awhile back saying I was all done doing free voice overs. Unless I knew who was asking. The problem has become even real broadcasters/DJ's are requesting free voice overs. Not just the people that are doing it as a hobby. I started searching people that made a request and found a good number of them where real FM stations and or DJ's that got paid. I have been told by people in the UK they have heard me on the radio over there and it was a VO I did as a free request(s) on BW. So the stations etc. are requesting free voice overs, not paying for them and using them on the stations/shows. All they need to do is go from one site to the next and someone will do it sooner or later. They type up their request like they are in radio as a hobby and you get sucked in and do it.

    I got so sick of people and their requests and thinking fees should be lower, I even removed my pricing from my sites. So I no longer accept paid VO's unless I know the person and I have become very selective who I do free voice overs for. Plus there are request that I don't do because I don't think my voice will fit the style show or the request in general.

    I will be the first one to say my voice isn't for everyone. But thatís how it is, you either like it or you don't. Also I don't do a lot of production on my voice overs. Because I don't hide anything. So I don't add all kinds of effects etc. to cover it up. I found one site using a computer voice. Because there is no way the person could talk or anyone could talk like they did. And if you really listened to the voice you could tell is was a computer generated voice. BUT! People love it and pay this person/site. Of course they add all kinds of zips and zaps and cool sounds to it. Thatís what most people think a voice over is anyway these days. Thatís just to cover things up. Plus all of the fees are or where cheap, if I charged the same fees I might as well work for free.

    Being a voice over artists today you are kind of being told, You don't have any bills to pay, you don't need to eat or anything like that. This is across all types of voice overs. The rates are just getting lower and lower. So I just do request on BW for the most part, if anyone makes a donation cool. But even they are far a few in-between. You might as will find something new to do.

    Plus I am more into having fun with my voice (comedy style), doing voices or what ever like Pappy, JR, Billy Bob, The God Father or who even else I come up with. I know there isn't a lot of request for them or my style on BW

    Well here I go again, I was only going to make a small comment and well....

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    sorry but I didn't have seen this post since now

    Its my idea that "currently" there are many new members who have the "hit and run" attitude ...
    A while ago (March - April) there where many new members who hit the donate button at once
    So ... doing reads is a kind of playing at the casino ... you have to be lucky to being paid or not ...

    BUT I have to say that new members in general should be pointed (even redirected !) at "any" time to the introduce yourself section ... That way WE know who the person or project is ...
    After they made an introduction they are allowed to make requests

    It sucks if someone with a hit and run attitude even don't leave a thank you reply, neither a rep for the work who's being done
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    How did I forget the hit and run people? I must be getting old ;)

    If anyone checks they'll find GK is doing most of the request these days

    I do some here and there and we have a couple of other people that do them sometimes. At onetime you could post a request and who knows how many replies you'd get. It was a lot more than 1 maybe 4 if your lucky today.

    As I said before, the Free Request is used and abused, not only on BW. By way to many people that should offer to pay something. I bet I'm not be liked by a lot of people. That old guy is nuts. When you get older you don't care what people think, can't handle the truth to bad. Most people in todays world are greedy, cheap, rude and they want everything NOW and well I won't go there.

    I'm glad I happen to know people that aren't like that and they are here on BW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billh View Post
    I don't mean to sound rude or anything but. People not paying fees has nothing to do with an income from doing work for people. I'm sure if someone doesn't pay the fess it isn't going to hurt you in anyway. It isn't money and time out of your pocket. If you spent hours doing voice overs and got nothing in return. Then it becomes a pain in the backside and you just end up saying forget it.
    I don't think you were being rude as much as you did not understand my point. I have a problem because it is illegal, it is unprofessional and it is wrong. There are too many amateurs out there, not paying their licensing fees. Some of us are professionals and conduct ourselves as such. I think you missed the whole message that I was trying to convey. I was supporting that voice imaging should be a paid service and not done for free. The problem with the forums and everybody and his cat wanting something for free has to do with too many amateurs out there wanting something for nothing. They are the ones who usually don't pay licensing fees. Those are the people that I am tired of.
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    Ok i feel i need my 2 cents worth on this one.

    A Minimum Post count of 50 and that way they have at least Used the site and contributed!

    Ive helped out around BW and im only a Hobby broadcaster.

    Bill i will pay for a licence when my listener numbers increase and pay for any Voiceovers when i get some readies in me Pay pal.

    Seems my bank is having problems transfering to pay pal otherwise the money would have been donated for my requested voiceovers ....

    Someone show me a Viable option that aint western union or Pay pal for money transfer and ill try that.

    I like BW just feel some of the newer users are either Rude when they dont get what they want or are just here for the Free V/O and run.

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    I'm almost sure those people can be found at any forum
    Quote Originally Posted by garybaldy72uk View Post
    newer users are either Rude when they dont get what they want or are just here for the Free V/O and run.
    ... and most of them are crossposters who are making the same request at many forums ... that way they get many free reads
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