chq Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 any one know the process of get a fm uk licence ? what i do know is that it is a lot of money for licence fees and whet not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwdservices Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 You'll need millions of dollars and tons of employees (not exaggerating) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chq Posted October 27, 2008 Author Share Posted October 27, 2008 You'll need millions of dollars and tons of employees (not exaggerating) even for a community or local station Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwdservices Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 even for a community or local station Yup. Basically your only option (in the US at least) is part 15. We use Part15 transmitters to cover 1640 AM Kudia Radio across our town and even a bit further. You can hear the station anywhere in Dumfries, VA quite clear on your AM receiver and depending on your car, you may be able to hear it several miles out from Dumfries too. I have no idea what the laws are in the UK are though, so for all I know, the only option is getting a regular license. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THREETEN RADIO Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Have a look HERE, nearest you can get is a community station licence. Not easy and expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneOwens Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 kwd, Can you send me a PM on what equipment you are using for the Part 15, and how and where you got it as I myself am looking at going commercial, and need a good start and Part 15 is the only way for me to go right now since I am on a budget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwdservices Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 kwd, Can you send me a PM on what equipment you are using for the Part 15, and how and where you got it as I myself am looking at going commercial, and need a good start and Part 15 is the only way for me to go right now since I am on a budget I might as well post this here Contact Keith Hamilton with RangeMaster Transmitters. He'll let you know everything you'll need to know and get you a good price on one of his transmitters. http://www.am1000rangemaster.com/ Be sure to let him know that I referred you ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneOwens Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 I will do, thanks for your help, as this will get me out the way I'm wanting to get out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwdservices Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 I will do, thanks for your help, as this will get me out the way I'm wanting to get out Glad to help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneOwens Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Well honestly, I have been looking for a way to get aroudn the whole FCC BS, and I have found the way to do it....now one question I have...I have found a good frequency, not in the 1590-1710 range, how long would it take to get the crystals for that, would it be the two the three weeks as put on his site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneOwens Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 While I'm thinking on it, I want to cover an area of say 40 sq. miles, how many XMitters do you use yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwdservices Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Well honestly, I have been looking for a way to get aroudn the whole FCC BS, and I have found the way to do it....now one question I have...I have found a good frequency, not in the 1590-1710 range, how long would it take to get the crystals for that, would it be the two the three weeks as put on his site No idea, you'll have to ask him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwdservices Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 While I'm thinking on it, I want to cover an area of say 40 sq. miles, how many XMitters do you use yourself If you do a really good job setting it up (how well you install it determines your range) you should be able to get about 5 square miles of understandable range with one transmitter. If you use multiple ones, you can space them apart further because the two fringe signals overlapping should create a understandable broadcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneOwens Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Well, Here's a coverage map, maybe you could give a hand determining the range I'd need.. Much help would be appreciated Looking at the map it would be roughly 20-30 up 10 miles down and say 30-40 miles across....Im wanting to cover the entire nothern part of the county I live in especially for school sports and what not for the high school I attended, they've offered me special broadcast contracts, and I want to get them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwdservices Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Well, Here's a coverage map, maybe you could give a hand determining the range I'd need.. Much help would be appreciated Looking at the map it would be roughly 20-30 up 10 miles down and say 30-40 miles across....Im wanting to cover the entire nothern part of the county I live in especially for school sports and what not for the high school I attended, they've offered me special broadcast contracts, and I want to get them A scale might help ;) Without it, for all I know that could be half of the country :D Best thing to do is find wet areas (with internet or some way of feeding the signal of course) for you to mount the transmitters. The better grounding system you have, the farther the signal will go. If there is a nearby river or stream, have the grounding system lead into it and you will get amazing distances. Keep in mind the ground lead can't be very long by FCC law, but people get around this by having ground leads that are about a food that go to a bigger ground system. Some FCC officers will say this is okay and some will say this is not. Whatever we have done on our setups must be okay becuase I see odd looking vans with government license plates and antennas on top of the cars by the transmitters fromt ime to time so I know they know we are there The farthest I have ever seen this transmitter go is 15 miles and that was one of my friends out the Washington state area (it wasn't mine). The transmitter was mounted onto a bill board that had metal supports going into the water. The grounding lead went from the transmitter a few inches down to the metal frame of the bill board so that the actual ground lead was quite short. This setup was inspected numerous times with no complaints. One thing to remember, FOLLOW THE RULES! The FCC doesn't play around and if you are even a few extra milliwats above the legal limit, they will force you to take it down and fine you a huge amount of money. And if you don't take it down then you are really in trouble...but won't get into that. The final rule is that if someone who has an electronic device reports interference, you must stop it. You can normally avoid this from happening though by installing a good grounding system. Best thing to do is alert your neighbors around each transmitter site. Let then know what you are doing and that if they start hearing your station on their cordless telephone to tell you immediatly. Normally you can fix it yourself by changing the wireless frequency chanel. I myself have never had a problem or report of interfernce from our station though. I hear some local AM spanish FCC licensed station a lot on my cordless phone and can't seem to get it to go away. I've called and emailed the FCC about it and have also tried changing the wireless chanel on the phone with no luck. I also get interfernce on my laptop sometimes and have a cord hooked up to a speaker touch the laptop and get the spanish station. Quite weird if you ask me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneOwens Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Well after relooking at Google Maps, it's roughly 12 miles from my studio to the outsie range touch of Love Valley up in the far left side....15 if you go all the way into Love Valley, and to Highway 901 on the right side is roughly 20 miles total.... So we'll say 35 miles circumference, and from the up/down is about 35 miles, so if I can find the right grounds I am guessing I would only need about 2-3 XMitters min. and 6 max to get the signal I need??? Because that map is roughly 10 miles for every inch on that map... Maybe you could help more, and thanks for the info, because I would definitely check those XMitters at least once a week for readings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwdservices Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 So we'll say 35 miles circumference, and from the up/down is about 35 miles, so if I can find the right grounds I am guessing I would only need about 2-3 XMitters min. and 6 max to get the signal I need??? Because that map is roughly 10 miles for every inch on that map... I'd say 3-4 if they are installed well. Contact Keith though. I'm not an expert and he knows way more then I do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m2m Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Returning to the original question, chd - the best way to start in the UK would be to look at a RSL - which is a temporary licence granted by Ofcom that allows authorised organisations to broadcast to a defined area for a period of (normally) not more than 28 days. Again, the whole setup is not very cheap as you would need to set up a decent studio to broadcast from, as well as hire an approved FM transmitter, antenna and STL - not forgetting paying the RSL licence and all the royalties to the publishing companies. Failing all of the above - why not start off at your local hospital radio station. Many are always keen to hear from keen volunteers looking to gain further experience in the world of radio. Good luck ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkemr Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 any one know the process of get a fm uk licence ? what i do know is that it is a lot of money for licence fees and whet not Try this link full of info and think they help you get started 2 http://www.themulcher.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chq Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 Try this link full of info and think they help you get started 2 http://www.themulcher.co.uk/ cheers im kinda linking the part 15 in the usa but you can only broadcast up to 200 feet is that true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkemr Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I dont know m8 never looked into it send them guys on the link an email ask them Thanks JK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnie Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 cheers im kinda linking the part 15 in the usa but you can only broadcast up to 200 feet is that true Just out of interest chq, where abouts (city / area) would you be wanting to start up an FM station? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chq Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 Just out of interest chq, where abouts (city / area) would you be wanting to start up an FM station? where you talking uk or usa im based in uk london so some where in near, or around on london would be nice not to sure about usa thou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnie Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 where you talking uk or usa im based in uk london so some where in near, or around on london would be nice not to sure about usa thou Ahh right, I meant UK. You may find that because of the amount of commercial stations in and around London that starting a Community station or RSL is quite difficult, I haven't looked into it much though so I could be wrong there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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