SAM Broadcaster won't play Station ID's

[2prfm.com]

Hi all,

 

Apologies for this long post, but I'm at my witz end with this one;

 

Have come here to get a second opinion on what has become one hell of a stubborn issue with my SAM Broadcaster. Having Asperger's Syndrome, I know I have missed something, hoping someone can point out that obscure thing I've missed.

 

No matter what, My SAM refuses to play my Station ID's.

 

At present, I have a library of 800 tracks, all wav files, and all have been consistantly formated with the following attributes.

 

Normalised to -0.10% (98.86% of peack volume.

All have 200 milliseconds of silence before tracks starts (to prevent clicking)

All ttracks have about 1-2 seconds of silence at the end.

 

I have then given my four station ID's the same formating, each of 7 seconds.

 

They have been so kind to assist on the other forum, but they are assuming I want to do switch fades, rather then cross fades.

 

Here's what they have suggested on the other forum,

 

http://support.spacialnet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&p=127754

 

Having tried their suggestions to no avail, I have reverted the settings back to cross-fade style with the following settings, as noted in screen shots.

 

http://www.2prfm.com/screen-shots/pic02-crossfading.jpg

 

http://www.2prfm.com/screen-shots/pic03-gapkiller.jpg

 

http://www.2prfm.com/screen-shots/pic04-playlistrotation.jpg

 

For experimentation, I've currently got one song and one ID playing alternatively, as follows:

 

Cat['Tracks'].QueueBottom(smRandom, EnforceRules);

Cat['Station IDs'].QueueBottom(smRandom, NoRules);

 

http://www.2prfm.com/screen-shots/pic05-infosettings.jpg

 

Please note that I still want a fade at the end of the IDs, but note the 0.8 second fade, over the 10 second fade I have with my tracks.

 

http://www.2prfm.com/screen-shots/pic06-infofades.jpg

 

Please note that I am using trial version, not cracked or pirated. I would like to get this issue solved, to really know if this software is worth purchasing.

[xxxlpd]

im not too technical on this so forgive me first of all. i will tell you i have found that event scheduler works for me i schedule then to fire everyday at the top of the hour. it loads them into my queue at the times i specified it for wether i am in auto or manual. sam will play anything in the queue while on auto. at least it does for me. hope this helps.

[qmr]

I have been using SAM since 2003 and have been very happy with it.

 

I have my crossfading settings set as this and works well.

 

http://www.qmr.fm/imgtemp/sam_crossfade.png

[shoutcaststreaming]

Usally when they don't play, there is an error in the spelling of the Category.

 

Try to run this small PAL script. Run it line-by-line (in the editor) so you can see the results:

Cat['Station IDs'].QueueBottom(smRandom, NoRules);

 

Report back the error (or lack of) it gives. Check the Event Log on Desktop B. This should pop a liner into the queue.

 

Also make sure your Station Liners are of song type 'I' .. check in the Song Info (ALT+3).

[2prfm.com]

I've just checked the song info, and the type is "I" for all of the station IDs. I have also done a error check on the line Cat['Station IDs'].QueueBottom(smRandom, NoRules); and there is no error. I would note though that it did highlight the line in blue, and placed the cursor after the "t" in "Cat".

[shoutcaststreaming]

And after it highlighted in blue .. did you click run line by line again? .. did it put a sweeper in the queue? .. it either had to or it had to give some error message in the Event Log. Has to.

 

It if doesn't then it will put the name of the sweeper in the Event Log.

 

Has to.

[GKIye]

I would suggest to take a look at this post who has been made by Me about PAL scripts

This is part 1

http://forums.broadcastingworld.net/showthread.php?t=7199

The link to part 2 can be found at that page at the bottom of it

All PAL scripts can be easily copy and paste into your SAM

 

About your crossfading :

a fade out of 10sec is way to long .. 3 or 4 works out very well at 100%

you have to "enable" also your fade in - it ain't into your current settings - a time of 0sec at 100% gives good results

 

About your rotation rules :

don't play same song within 3000 minutes is a very long setting, depends on the amount of tracks you have ...

but with the current setting this means that "a track" can only be played once every 50 hours

This can cause huge problems within SAM even when activated with "auto dj" and the "recovery tool"

I would increase "artist" and "title" and set the "same track" at a lesser time

For the operational safety set 3 songs in queue and load your IDs in queue "top"

 

http://www.2prfm.com/screen-shots/pic02-crossfading.jpg

 

 

http://www.2prfm.com/screen-shots/pic04-playlistrotation.jpg

 

[2prfm.com]

Thank you all for your help. I have tried all your suggestions without any luck. It seemed if pour old sam was unreachable UNTIL.....

 

Today. I've finally cracked the prize!

 

I don't know why it took me so long to think of it, but all I did was to create another category in the tracks folder. I called it "Kickers". I then placed all my IDs in there.

 

I then went to the Clockwheel, and inserted it as a category, and placed it, so it plays after every two tracks.

 

In the track info, I have adjusted the crossfades, and how it detects the output levels, and unticked "Do not play tracks shorter then XX seconds".

 

AND NOW I"M ONE HELL OF A HAPPY PERSON. Again I gotta thank you guys for pointing me in the right direction. I wouldn't of been able to do it otherwize.

[GKIye]

Sounds great to hear that you're happy and solved your problem.

Do you have any listen link ? (pls,asx, or other)

At this website http://www.2prfm.com/ I didn't found any

 

Enjoy your weekend and a great Holiday Season !

[2prfm.com]

At the moment I've got no live link. Now that I've got sam working, live broadcasting shouldn't be too far away.

I do have about three pages of audio on demand material. There is about 60-65 programs on my site, covering 70's and 80's music, various thames like yearly specials and so on. check it out, and let me know what you think.

[megatropolisradio]

Can you show me in detail how you did this and what you mean when you create another category in the tracks folder. I called it "Kickers". I then placed all my IDs in there.

 

I then went to the Clockwheel, and inserted it as a category, and placed it, so it plays after every two tracks.

[Borracho]

I have the same problem as you and am really stuck on it. I've set the playlist on random, so my clockwheel script looks like this

 

Cat['Tracks'].QueueBottom(smLemmingLogic, EnforceRules);

Cat['Music (All)'].QueueBottom(smLRPA, EnforceRules);

Cat['Music (All)'].QueueBottom(smWeighted, EnforceRules);

 

But it just keeps playing the music from deck A to deck B.

 

Could you explain, in complete Idiot-Boy's terms, how I can say insert Spot1.mp3 after every two random songs on there?

 

If you also provide screenshots, you'll be my personal savior.

 

Thank you

[djgary72]

Try having a Pal Running instead Clockwheel can be a Pain!

 

PAL.Loop := True;
PAL.WaitForPlayCount(50);
Cat['80s'].QueueBottom(smLemmingLogic, EnforceRules);
Cat['80s'].QueueBottom(smRandom, EnforceRules);
Cat['80s'].QueueBottom(smPriority, EnforceRules);
Cat['80s'].QueueBottom(smRandom, EnforceRules);
Cat['80s'].QueueBottom(smPriority, EnforceRules);
Cat['Station IDs (All)'].QueueBottom(smRandom, NoRules);

 

this Is one of my PAL scripts for loading songs into the queue.

 

Note: smRandom, NoRules

 

Means Your Station ids will Play rather than be subject to SAM playlist restrictions!

 

Hope that Helps as such!

 

 

[Borracho]

Ok, you're really going to have to break this one down for me

 

Config-Playlist Rotation-I have options for Clockwheel/Web/Logic based. Configure button to the right. I tried copy/pasting your script into my box but nothing different happened.

 

Could you give me a very specific example? I have all my music in (Tracks). Is there a specific directory to put ID's in? I have it on Auto-DJ.

 

Thank you so much for your time!

[GKIye]

First of all ...

You don't play your songs as "random" for reason that you give them a value - ex. smLRPA etc

so SAM makes a choice what kind of song is being played as next track equal to the value you insert

Secondly ...

Discover your SAM and the config of it ...

At your clockwheel you can load much more than only "Music (All)" ...

You can load also a selection of directories who are stored at your pc harddisk(s)

etc etc

see this example :

SubDir['D:\Documents and Settings\XXXX\MyDocu\MyMusic\90''s'].QueueBottom(smLRP, EnforceRules);

SubDir['D:\Documents and Settings\XXXX\MyDocu\MyMusic\80''s'].QueueBottom(smLRP, EnforceRules);

SubDir['D:\Documents and Settings\XXXX\MyDocu\MyMusic\70''s'].QueueBottom(smLRP, EnforceRules);

Cat['ALLROUND'].QueueBottom(smLRP, EnforceRules);

Cat['HOT HITZ'].QueueBottom(smLRP, EnforceRules);

Cat['RETRO'].QueueBottom(smLRP, EnforceRules);

SubDir['D:\Documents and Settings\XXXX\MyDocu\MyMusic\90''s'].QueueBottom(smLRPA, EnforceRules);

SubDir['D:\Documents and Settings\XXXX\MyDocu\MyMusic\80''s'].QueueBottom(smLRPA, EnforceRules);

Cat['YesterdayID'].QueueBottom(smLRP, NoRules);

SubDir['D:\Documents and Settings\XXXX\MyDocu\MyMusic\60''s'].QueueBottom(smLRP, EnforceRules);

Cat['Music (All)'].QueueBottom(smLRPA, EnforceRules);

Cat['ALLROUND'].QueueBottom(smLRPA, EnforceRules);

As Gary quoted I should use a simple PAL script to load your ID(s)

You can choose if that PAL gonna load the file as ipBottom or ipTop

or choose for the example of the RED section, and change Cat['YesterdayID'] into Cat['IDs']

 

The Cat['IDs'] you can make into your directory "Other" (rightclick on "Other" > new and write IDs)

Now you are able to choose "that" category at your config > clockwheel

Into the category IDs you can put all your IDs

 

For examples, please visit my sticky topics about PAL scripts at :

http://forums.broadcastingworld.net/showthread.php?t=7199

Change the WaitFor to your needs

I have the same problem as you and am really stuck on it. I've set the playlist on random, so my clockwheel script looks like this

 

Cat['Tracks'].QueueBottom(smLemmingLogic, EnforceRules);

Cat['Music (All)'].QueueBottom(smLRPA, EnforceRules);

Cat['Music (All)'].QueueBottom(smWeighted, EnforceRules);

 

Could you explain, in complete Idiot-Boy's terms, how I can say insert Spot1.mp3 after every two random songs on there?

 

Thank you

[Borracho]

(Thank you so much for the swift replies! I've only just fired up the trial version and am trying to make sense of it all!)

 

The WaitFor count is in minutes, right? As in, spot plays after X number of minutes of programming?

 

Lastly, could my problems be due to the fact that I haven't yet bought the full version?

[GKIye]

No the PAL.WaitForPlayCount is no time value, but equal to 2 or 3 or 4 etc etc tracks

so after 2 or 3 or 4 etc tracks one ID gonna be played

PAL.WaitForTime(T['xx:59:35']); shows a TIME value (!)

 

In general with a trial version of SAM you have no restrictions in using ...

Just be patient and discover the software, that way you gonna learn that many thinks are possible

Please use also the "help" section of your SAM ... there you can find several examples of simple PAL and clockwheel scripts

>> Open "help" and search for PAL or script >> and read all about it

[Borracho]

Thank you so much! Will do

[GKIye]

Good luck !!

[Borracho]

Actually the help file is amazing.

 

I nailed it, now everything is working to my full satisfaction

[GKIye]

Voila

it can be that easy ;)

 

Enjoy your SAM !

Thanks for your updates ... Great !