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Hello...

 

I am new to this. I upload all songs to shout host. the host service provider has something called AutoDJ for uploading mp3 and I have to do playlist inAutoDJ manually...

 

Somebody suggested me to use Sam. But i don't know about this software. I am wondering if I can use Sam with my host? I think... with Sam, I have to store all mp3s in my computer and leave it on all the time during broadcasting. Am I correct?? I don't want to do that... Anyone can explain me clearly how it works? if it would works for me? Can I still have my mp3 run from host server?

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SAM is a software program from Spacial Audio. Yes, you have all of your songs on your PC and it send a stream out to your stream host to be re-broadcast. Since you probably don't have the bandwidth needed to stream to dozens of listners, the host would receive the input and then send it out.

 

Auto DJ is using the stream host's servers to store all of your mp3's and then their software would broadcast it for you. Depending on the features of the stream host, you may be able to schedule shows at specific times, make different play lists, play songs randomly, insert station liners, etc.

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Thanks!

 

-Brutish Sailor, I don't think it's WHMSonic. Just something like auto DJ.

 

-countrywesterndj: ummm... so if I use SAM, i have to store mp3 and run from my computer? I can't do that..

 

what I want is.. to store all mp3 on my host, and they broadcast it for me just as it is now. But the problem is their auto DJ does not have cool featuers I need, for example, easy to make a play list, automatically insert the jingle, play song randomly... and I want to have the current play list show on my web site, and can link tracks to amazon, etc. What software can I use for that, but the thing is-- it need to be on host's server, not on my machine. Is that possible?

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This is where SAM is nice for building automations.

 

If you want a HUGE headache, but a free version of this feature, you can also do this with a manual playlist maker (see http://forums.broadcastingworld.net/showthread.php?t=7949 )

 

But for someone that's looking to try a swing at pro RIGHT OFF the bat (If you understand what jingles are, but not familiar with SAM or a lot of streaming concepts, Im slotting you in this category, no offense intended) I would go with SAM, it has a lot of the features you have listed. Its very user friendly as well. Money WELL invested for someone of your level.

 

Any other questions?

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Yep .. thats most important .. but also make sure all the meta tag settings of your MP3s are 100% right

One thing m8 make sure all your mp3`s are the same bitrate as the server for auto DJ

Fozzy

I agree with all posts on top of this

If you wanna use AUTOdj only .. you have some restrictions - making yes or no playlists, random etc etc

To show your currently playing artist / song at your website .. that ain't a problem .. several scripts are available who can be used at your website

 

To insert a link to amazon.com or others I guess these are only available as a standard into SAM and similar types of software .. I don't know any standalone script who can make this possible

 

Hope this was usefull

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ampticker will do it.

 

It cost about $5 (or 8 for ampticker's complete package.)

 

 

It will I fraime everything for easy page embedding. It also gives your listeners a chance to rate the program. SO, you can log in, and check the stats. It will give you listener averages for songs, and what they rated all songs.

 

$5 will give you ID3 tags and artwork display /w a link to amazon for purchase. $8 will give you the server monitor as well.

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Keep in mind that if you stream at 128kbps 24/7, your ISP WILL eventually notice. I have heard quite a couple of stories about this, and it always ends badly.

 

I would HIGHLY recommend you either:

 

A) Learn to use auto DJ feature in a way to support you.

B) Get into this with a buddy or buddies where you can share streaming times. HONESTLY, if you are automated 24/7, what makes you any different than the TONS of shows on the internet.

 

I have had guys that broadcast w $3 mic's and onboard sound cards. Why do they get attention? Because they are live. Stations that interact with listeners make DEVOTED listeners.

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I guess I'm gonna have to be blunt here:

 

WHY ARE YOU GONNA JUST LET IT SIT ON AUTO DJ ALL THE TIME...This defeats the purpose for even having a radio station. I have seen many people tire over this industry and then people like this person come along and think oh I'll just upload all my songs on here to let it just play them...that's a friggin' jukebox.

 

I don't mean to offend, but the truth hurts. If you want to make a radio station that people will WANT TO listen to, and not a radio station that you can go to all your friends and say, "Hey, need something to listen to when you're bored or playing a game. Well here's my station, have at it!"

 

If you wanna do radio right, get a computer that can hold a demand of running upwards of a full 24 hours a day or more...and I will again be blunt, my comps run over 200-300 hours a week, just broadcasting my station, I have spent countless hours making the playlists just right, I have had to test out numerous automation systems, and I have had to get help on quite a few things, I've also probably spent almost $1000 or more in the 2 years I've been doing internet radio on just imaging alone, if you include my server bills I spend probably about $1200 to $1500 a year.

 

To make a radio station sound good, you've got to dedicate time to it, not just let it run on auto 24/7/365.

 

Again, I don't mean to be harsh, but that is the truth, you just can't make a radio station to say you did and let it run like a jukebox, you have to put blood, sweat, tears and money into it to make it work right.

 

Now if this offends anyone, I'm sorry, but to some of us this is more than just a hooby. I think of this as my meal ticket. Might not pay as much as I would like it to, but it's something I love to do and I won't stand for anyone to just sit and let a friggin' auto dj pick the songs

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I would imagine your host uses Cast Control or Centova Cast for Auto DJ as we established it is not WHMSonic (I use that, it's cool), if that is the case then you upload mp3's to their server as posted above, no 24 hour streaming from your PC then.

 

I will say one thing about cast control. I DO like how they intigrated the listener status for easy stream ripper kicking.

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I'm trying not to plug myself here, but I thought I had some useful information to share.

 

In regards to GKR's post, there are AutoDJ programs that are basically a hosted version of Sam, such as ours, which are not just random upload and play.

 

I know Centova's can be customized quite a bit too.

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Hi Karl,

 

No need to apologize .. I guess thats what "pter" the starter of this topic is looking for .. the much as possible details of the do and do'nts

I'm trying not to plug myself here, but I thought I had some useful information to share.

I have the idea that "pter" is brand new into broadcasting .. so all We can do is providing him with some details who can be interesting.

Some feedback from "pter" would be appreciated as follow up to what he is looking for ...

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I guess I'm gonna have to be blunt here:

 

WHY ARE YOU GONNA JUST LET IT SIT ON AUTO DJ ALL THE TIME...This defeats the purpose for even having a radio station. I have seen many people tire over this industry and then people like this person come along and think oh I'll just upload all my songs on here to let it just play them...that's a friggin' jukebox.

 

I don't mean to offend, but the truth hurts. If you want to make a radio station that people will WANT TO listen to, and not a radio station that you can go to all your friends and say, "Hey, need something to listen to when you're bored or playing a game. Well here's my station, have at it!"

 

If you wanna do radio right, get a computer that can hold a demand of running upwards of a full 24 hours a day or more...and I will again be blunt, my comps run over 200-300 hours a week, just broadcasting my station, I have spent countless hours making the playlists just right, I have had to test out numerous automation systems, and I have had to get help on quite a few things, I've also probably spent almost $1000 or more in the 2 years I've been doing internet radio on just imaging alone, if you include my server bills I spend probably about $1200 to $1500 a year.

 

To make a radio station sound good, you've got to dedicate time to it, not just let it run on auto 24/7/365.

 

Again, I don't mean to be harsh, but that is the truth, you just can't make a radio station to say you did and let it run like a jukebox, you have to put blood, sweat, tears and money into it to make it work right.

 

Now if this offends anyone, I'm sorry, but to some of us this is more than just a hooby. I think of this as my meal ticket. Might not pay as much as I would like it to, but it's something I love to do and I won't stand for anyone to just sit and let a friggin' auto dj pick the songs

 

I cant believe I never noticed this...

 

 

YOU GOT ME.

 

So why would I do it??? Just got a dedicated server. Been setting it up ATM to do some really good stuff. The project you see there was a foothold of testing the waters. Learning the ropes. Training the other hobby DJ's to broadcast. THE ONLY reason it runs on autoDJ constantly is I ignore it until I get the minor details worked out. BUT I DON'T plug it in LC forums, or this forums station plugs.

 

Its not ready...YET.

 

I didn't have any clue about streaming. I started December of last year playing with DNAS and understanding the ideas of the whole streaming process.

 

I don't take this personally, but to answer that, its a work in progress. Everyone has to start somewhere. I have been a little distracted because I'm trying to find more shoutcasters that want to interact and DJ, or start a legit (non-pirate) station and helping them get set up.

 

For the last three months, I have worked 9-5 days as a plumber, pipefitter, welder, and sewage disposal tech (and yes, this title really does apply to me) I have taken my first vacation in a while, and I hope to show you a fully functional operational station by the end of the month that doesn't follow the mold set by so many boring music only streaming stations.

 

Just giving her the finishing touches, and yes, it will be a fantasy station based on the dead awaken game (DJ's trapped by zombies in a radio station) Fantasy stations take a lot of time to set up, because of the dialog. Plus making sure the game owner has my back if someone comes at me with copyright infringement. (a lot of companies grasp at straws to screw fantasy radio)

 

But the work and money has been put in it.

 

http://www.brutishsailor.com/DAR_Jingle_DeathToll.mp3

http://www.brutishsailor.com/DAR_Jingle_PromiseMusic.mp3

 

and Im sure it wont disappoint once it runs.

 

BUT as far as Auto DJ goes, some guys cant afford to run a hardcore station of this potential. They want to be able to find a community that accepts and approves of the music, and they want to be able to share the enjoyment of the music they love legally. Thats why Auto-DJ is nice, it allows this. Without the bandwidth usage as well. Once AAC+ gets more popular, Auto-DJ might fade out as producing a 32kbps stream 24/7 probably wont attract many ISP's attention. Until then its an option for broadcasters that feel that pain of trying to be legal and broadcast while being able to put food on the table for a family.

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