DirtySouthRadio Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 HERE IS WHAT THE GUY SAID FROM STREAM ADS I HAVE CHANGE MY HOLE WAY IM NOT GOING TO DO THAT You are now chatting with Paul Merrell (Pre-Sales/Sales) paul: Welcome to Spacial Sales/Pre-Sales Dept, how can I assist you? dj hollywood: hello paul: how can i be of help? dj hollywood: i want to know more info about this SOS Ad-replacement dj hollywood: i have a big station 1200 listners plus from 9am to like 5pm dj hollywood: im in the middle of changing servers and im looking for way to make money dj hollywood: alot people keep telling me about your guys site paul: most of your users will need to be using windows media player dj hollywood: why paul: plus you will need to interface sos with your automation system. dj hollywood: this for the comrecals on the stream paul: becuaser that is how the streamads system works paul: shoutcast, itunes realplayer don't count paul: audio adds are useless so the user needs to be able to get the full add experience. dj hollywood: what u mena they dont count dj hollywood: all my listner come from i tunes dj hollywood: alot them i would say 60%% paul: well, useless paul: you know itunes is a money pit paul: they don't have to visit your site paul: they can listen and view no adds at all and if they view no adds you get $0.0 dj hollywood: but they do paul: plain and simple dj hollywood: ok but what about instream adds paul: ok get them to launch windows media streams with the media player dj hollywood: thats what i wanna do paul: you will have to get them off itunes dj hollywood: thats not going to happen paul: ok well get that player on the website and cut your shoutcast back and start putting in windows media streams dj hollywood: i want to do the instream adds paul: well that doesn't matter you still have to put in windows media streaming paul: basicly at the end of the day your pages will look like that paul: http://www.k94online.com/sstreams/highband.asx dj hollywood: Not Found The requested URL /sstreams/highband.asx was not found on this server. paul: http://alltimeoldies.com/streams/highband.asx paul: you will also want ot consider the options in he player sdk dj hollywood: i want to just do the instream comrecails dj hollywood: i cant just do that paul: nope becuase audio adds are useless paul: they must have banners with them paul: i'm just telling you this from personal experience. dj hollywood: why they iuselesss dj hollywood: when i have over 1000 listners dj hollywood: everyday paul: you have to move them to the player you wil lhave to run adds at least every half hour paul: it doesn't matter paul: you need to play th eadds dj hollywood: and aint that what the stream overlay does paul: i play adds 3 times an hour and i i don't care if i have 100 or 1000 people dj hollywood: how much do u get paid dj hollywood: ok but the more listners the more u get paid right paul: it will depend on the clien Through rate paul: depending on the click throughs paul: and impressions dj hollywood: ok give me a basic price paul: i'm not sure dj hollywood: when a add is played how much do u get paul: i don't want to make any promises on thigs paul: remember you will have some default compaigns dj hollywood: what does that mean paul: it will depend on the campaign dj hollywood: ok give me a \basic dj hollywood: what station is making the most money dj hollywood: from the streeam adds dj hollywood: 100 a day 100 a week paul: i don't have those detilas paul: i do know that if you are looking to make hunds, it won't happen. dj hollywood: ok thanks for your time paul: i really depends on how many stations are on the campaign and the budget paul: but you do get paid dj hollywood: ok so im asking paul: ok no problem. dj hollywood: what station is making money dj hollywood: u want people to sign up chagne there way of doing things paul: the numers networks are obvioouosly making the big bucks dj hollywood: only use wma and u cant tell me how much money im going to make paul: do yo look around at all? paul: it is going to depend on your click throughs that's what they care about dj hollywood: thats like me saying come to work for me fixing computers but i cant give u a basir price what u going to make paul: you are not going to add streamads and get $1000 per month plus it won't happen dj hollywood: then u start working and only make 1.00 a hour dj hollywood: u see my point dj hollywood: then why the hell am i going change my ways and use only wma lose all my listings try to move people from itunes to somewhere eles paul: you can make more depening on what is going on paul: but you have to A play the adds B the listeners have to be clickcin and using the services bringing good leads dj hollywood: pay for your encooder u telling em im not going make more then 100 a week or month but u want me buy your endoer overlay for 299 dj hollywood: does that make any sence at all paul: i'm just trying to tell you what is up dj hollywood: i mean if i was a station just starting out dj hollywood: i think would be good paul: if you are looking for huge revenues, you are basicly dreaming unless you are selling the adds yourself in whitch you can do that dj hollywood: but i been on 8 years dj hollywood: where do i sell adds at dj hollywood: point me to place dj hollywood: cause there no where on the net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySouthRadio Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 HERE IS MORE BUNCH BULLSHIT TO ME paul: you have to have sales experience dj hollywood: that i cna find paul: you have to go beyond the shoutcast program. dj hollywood: i have my own branded player dj hollywood: u wanna see it dj hollywood: http://www.dirtysouthradioonline.com click on dl player dj hollywood: u probley not going hear the music cause my server is full dj hollywood: im going trew a server change and only have 500 slots right now paul: ok paul: well it will be hard to move people from itunes paul: that is an effort i promise you that paul: being i have a few itunes feeds myself. dj hollywood: so then u know paul: but i have the bandwidth to host it. dj hollywood: i dont understand there all these radio stations paul: yep i know dj hollywood: that have big numbers dj hollywood: and no add service dj hollywood: there should be one company and internet radio station can go to paul: unless they donate you get $0.00 or bandwidth-a-rama dj hollywood: belive me i know paul: basicly you spend and get nothing back. dj hollywood: ive spent 85.000 in 8 years dj hollywood: on bandwith dj hollywood: flyers dj hollywood: cd dj hollywood: promo stuff paul: yep paul: well i guess don't kill the itues people but figure out a way to get them on the site paul: then again that is the sturuggle of most of us dj hollywood: well thanks for you help guess this not going work for mr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutish Sailor Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 ............And that's why I stick with WINAMP. Jkey, Nick, and John are awesome tech support. ..Let me try, I watched "Burn Notice" this morning (the greatest show EVER), and I am in an "infiltrating" mood. KNSJ.org / 89.1 FM San Diego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutish Sailor Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 I'll PM you the results. Spacial is not the way to go for you. You would need to obtain a SESAC license anyways, and that would lose you more money in the longrun. My numbers were WAY the *^&% off for how much they pay out per 1000 ads. KNSJ.org / 89.1 FM San Diego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutish Sailor Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 OK DJ Hollywood... Their is a better way to do this for your regular adsence ads. This trick used to be used by a lot in the porn industry. 1) Throw a promo contest, and plug it on your stream. 2) Set a separate banner script on a separate page. 3) Set the script up for a redirect after three clicks of any banner. 4) Have a contest giving away "X" X being a "co-DJ day" (they call you up on the phone, and host a show live with you, as well pick the music throw down) OR something simple like a couple of $10 CD's to the winner. They get a code from clicking all banners, and at the end of the month, randomly select "the code that pays" google adsence is $100 per 1000 clicks correct? So you throw one of those contest in a month, and 1000 people clicking 5 banners for an entry makes you $500 It sounds logical. Make sure they know they can only enter once. If adsence sees the same person clicking a banner 30 times, they will accuse you of fraud and not pay up. KNSJ.org / 89.1 FM San Diego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySouthRadio Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 i already have google adsence on my sites i make about 100 buks every 2 to 3 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutish Sailor Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 Hell man, I refuse to believe that 1000 listeners cannot find a source of good income somewhere. Theirs got to be someone that would sponsor you... Not that this is a bad time in the American economy as it is. But hell, theirs always money somewhere. KNSJ.org / 89.1 FM San Diego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySouthRadio Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 man i have tried everything even slashed my advertaing rates to like nothing i mean i have over 500.000 hits a month each site and i tell people for 25.00 ill put your banner on both sites for 25.00 so that like million people a month that will see there banner check out my own branded radio player http://www.dirtysouthradioonline.com/espscripts/DsrRadioPlayer.exe here mystats for the stations HERE IS THE STATS FOR THE MONTH OF DEC-2008 FOR BOTH SITES DIRTY SOUTH RADIO ONLINE STATS FOR THE MONTH OF DEC http://www.dirtysouthradioonline.com/dsrdec.JPG THUGZONE RADIO STATS FOR THE MONTH OF DEC http://thugzone.com/thugdec.JPG HERE IS THE STATS FOR THE MONTH OF MARCH-2009 FOR BOTH SITES DIRTY SOUTH RADIO ONLINE STATS FOR THE MONTH OF MARCH 2009 http://www.dirtysouthradioonline.com/dsrstatsmarch2009.png THUGZONE RADIO STATS FOR THE MONTH OF MARCH 2009 http://thugzone.com/thugmarch2009.png ALSO HERE IS THE STATS FOR THE YEAR 2008 DIRTY SOUTH RADIO ONLINE http://www.dirtysouthradioonline.com/dsryearstats2008.JPG THUGZONE RADIO STATS FOR THE MONTH http://thugzone.com/thugyear2008.JPG ALSO HERE IS THE STATS FOR THE YEAR 2009 SO FAR DIRTY SOUTH RADIO ONLINE http://www.dirtysouthradioonline.com/dsryear2009.png THUGZONE RADIO STATS FOR THE MONTH http://thugzone.com/thugyear2009.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoutcaststreaming Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 I really don't want to hijack this thread from the original, but it already has been .. so here i go .. DirtySouth, looking at your listener stats from our servers, you have a TON, I repeat, a TON of stream rippers. They don't listen to your music, they just record it and steal it. They listen on more than one port and they steal your service. The ones I have seen are using WinAmp 2.7 and are from Germany. Now NOBODY uses WinAmp 2.7 anymore, unless they are stealing your music. You have about 60% of your listeners from Germany using WinAmp 2.7 .. that isn't normal. You should have most of your listeners from iTunes. We need to install Rest In Peace or some other program to stop the rippers and get back your listeners. That is why you are not receiving ANY donations. The rippers don't donate, they steal. SCS - Dedicated Bandwidth Servers Shoutcast / Icecast / Windows Media Transcoding - Auto DJ - Mobile Radio - FLASH Players - Auto DJ Broadcasting World's Stream Host of the Month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySouthRadio Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 i see what your saying here my last 300 vistors to each one my site on both my streams i found total of 24 rippers between both last vistor logs http://www.dirtysouthradioonline.com/last300dsr.png http://www.thugzone.com/last300thug.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySouthRadio Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 ok so how do i do that We need to install Rest In Peace or some other program to stop the rippers and get back your listeners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutish Sailor Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 If it was me? I would ban the whole subnet. Do you have any regular listeners in Germany? If not, you can log into DNAS admin, and use the "ban subnet" feature. KNSJ.org / 89.1 FM San Diego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoutcaststreaming Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 OK, to show you what I am talking about .. check out the sample of a part of your listeners: http://www.shoutcaststreaming.us/images/dirty.jpg You can see all of those German ones are ripping your stream. IORSN used to have this program available, but it is so valuable we put it on our site as a download: http://www.shoutcaststreaming.us/whmcs/whmcs/downloads.php Pretty easy to use and configure .. PM us on AIM if you can't figure it out. SCS - Dedicated Bandwidth Servers Shoutcast / Icecast / Windows Media Transcoding - Auto DJ - Mobile Radio - FLASH Players - Auto DJ Broadcasting World's Stream Host of the Month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutish Sailor Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 NM shared server.... Shouldnt do that. If a broadcaster is on that subnet it screws them as well apparently. http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=188742&highlight=ban+subnet KNSJ.org / 89.1 FM San Diego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoutcaststreaming Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 Just use this program, it works. Trust us, we know what we are doing. Banning an entire subnet isn't a good idea, as you will find rippers use different IP's that are forged by using proxies, etc. If this program doesn't work well for you, we have another in-house one that also works.` SCS - Dedicated Bandwidth Servers Shoutcast / Icecast / Windows Media Transcoding - Auto DJ - Mobile Radio - FLASH Players - Auto DJ Broadcasting World's Stream Host of the Month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySouthRadio Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 OK, to show you what I am talking about .. check out the sample of a part of your listeners: http://www.shoutcaststreaming.us/images/dirty.jpg You can see all of those German ones are ripping your stream. IORSN used to have this program available, but it is so valuable we put it on our site as a download: http://www.shoutcaststreaming.us/whmcs/whmcs/downloads.php Pretty easy to use and configure .. PM us on AIM if you can't figure it out. OK IM LOST AT WHAT TO DO AINT U THE ONE WITH THE SERVER U GOT TO INSTALL IT ON YOUR STREAM HOW WOULD PUTING IT ON MY PC DO ANYTHING WHEN I STREAM FROM MY DSP TO YOU IT WOUDL HAVE TO BE PUT ON AT YOUR END I DONT HAVE ACCESSS TO YOUR SERVER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoutcaststreaming Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 What? You install it on your broadcast PC. SCS - Dedicated Bandwidth Servers Shoutcast / Icecast / Windows Media Transcoding - Auto DJ - Mobile Radio - FLASH Players - Auto DJ Broadcasting World's Stream Host of the Month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySouthRadio Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 Hit Me Up On Aim Please I Dont Understand I Need To Install Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWorld Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 Hello DirtySouthRadio, OK IM LOST AT WHAT TO DO AINT U THE ONE WITH THE SERVER U GOT TO INSTALL IT ON YOUR STREAM HOW WOULD PUTING IT ON MY PC DO ANYTHING WHEN I STREAM FROM MY DSP TO YOU IT WOUDL HAVE TO BE PUT ON AT YOUR END I DONT HAVE ACCESSS TO YOUR SERVER First off, we ask that you use proper grammar and punctuation, this will allow more people to easily understand your question. Hit Me Up On Aim Please I Dont Understand I Need To Install Secondly, we would actually prefer that you get your question answered here so that you could be a potential help to everyone, because you never know if someone has the exact same question. ██ Stream101 | Affordable Media Solutions ██ Shared cPanel? Web Hosting | WordPress Hosting | Premium Stream Hosting ██ TOLL-FREE: (616) 277-7280 | 30 Day NO QUESTIONS Money-Back Guarantee ██ 100% Cogent Free Network | CloudLinux OS | Tier 1 Bandwidth | Grand Rapids, MI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwdservices Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Hello DirtySouthRadio, First off, we ask that you use proper grammar and punctuation, this will allow more people to easily understand your question. Yeah, I would have to agree with Marcus on this one. I would like to help you as my company was in this situation a while back, but I am getting completely confused as to what you are saying trying to read your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazin 97 Posted May 1, 2009 Author Share Posted May 1, 2009 Yeah haha. I had a problem with stream rippers with my station back when it was new. I had people in Brazil doing the same thing that's happening to you. It really sucks, you think your audience is faithful listeners but then you look at the stats and they're all rippers and robots :( I put a legal notice on my website saying that "any unauthorized recordings or rebroadcasts are restricted" and it scared them all alway. I haven't had a problem with rippers since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Well it looks like this post turned into something else other than "Changed hosts to MyShoutServer " - I'd like to comment on my experience though. After reading this forum and searching for affordable shoutcast providers, I decided to give "MyShoutServer" a shot. I just paid my second month and have had no issues at all. We signed up for 125 listeners and we pretty much max out daily during peak hours. As of today we have not had any buffering or downtime. Now that we are considering purchasing another 125 listeners with MyShoutServer, I'd like to consider all options before doing so. Does anyone know of a provider that provides similar pricing and reliability compared to MyshoutServer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exozito Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 Well it looks like this post turned into something else other than "Changed hosts to MyShoutServer " - I'd like to comment on my experience though. After reading this forum and searching for affordable shoutcast providers, I decided to give "MyShoutServer" a shot. I just paid my second month and have had no issues at all. We signed up for 125 listeners and we pretty much max out daily during peak hours. As of today we have not had any buffering or downtime. Now that we are considering purchasing another 125 listeners with MyShoutServer, I'd like to consider all options before doing so. Does anyone know of a provider that provides similar pricing and reliability compared to MyshoutServer? I was a myshoutserver user(not customer since someone else paid for my hosting) and so far I have experienced just one downtime but no buffering issues, shoutcaststreaming.us seems to be a little more reliable but it costs more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickolasM. Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Late Into the Posting but... Last night, I had my last straw with proradioserver, their website had gone offline again on a Friday night where I get at least 15 listeners, so I emailed them and told them I no longer wish to be a client and to cancel my old server and account. I have changed shoutcast hosts to MyShoutServer, www.myshoutserver.com, prices and website look alright and they got a better client base then proradioserver, who had like three users including me. Anyone here use MyShoutServer? Seem like an alright company, fast turnaround. Got my IP within 20 minutes, now streaming perfectly. I have a 128K server with 25 slots for $9.95 a month. Not a bad price at all, Turn-around time is great! I Have a question for you though, Why didn't you check with anyone here for great deals? We are all friends, We help out one-another! We should try to get a member from there to come here and join the party. It's great to hear from stream host providers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajruss Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Hi All, Not sure how I keep accidentally running across these threads on Broadcasting World, but here I am again Blazin 97, nice to have you on board. Thanks for your business. If there's anything you need, don't hesitate to contact me via support ticket or IM. To clarify a few things, we primarily use three different providers. Choopa handles the majority of our traffic and servers. However, we recently started placing servers at Reflected Networks in Chicago (same network as ServerCentral, which hosts StreamGuys), and RapidSwitch in London for our European orders. I unfortunately had to zone out Steadfast as their pricing was not as competitive as I needed it to be. Obviously this is vital to my business so that I can pass on the price. Choopa will be staying around for the long run, I'm just looking for some redundancy. As far as the Choopa comment - you are correct, they are a rather expensive provider. However, we purchase a rather large amount of traffic from them which allows us to get better than average rates. Along with that, they are quite willing to compete with other providers. They have priced matched on a few occasions now to keep my business. I'm quite pleased with them overall. . I purchased the company and saw the outages that came along with it. I need to sleep at night, so I decided to make some changes. It's been fairly smooth sailing ever since. The company is about three years old. I purchased the business roughly around 10 months ago. I have grown it from under 150 clients when I first purchased it to around 300 clients currently, growing at a fairly rapid pace each month. Hope this helps Thanks! Breck Burgess This business WAS on FDC about a year or so ago Your test server is still fdc traced the ip Hostname:67.159.44.16ISP:FDCservers.netOrganization:FDCservers.netProxy:None detectedType:Corporate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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