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Censorship on your streams ?

What the hell !

and some are living at "the country" who talks all about "Freedom of Speech"

If you don't like that music and its content .. pls delete it from your playlist directory and don't talk about it ..

Myself I don't get confused about this all ... I'm angry when I read things like that

 

Already heard the new release of the UK artist Lilly Allen ? She's huge at this moment at the European charts ! If the content of her latest release should be censored .. well at that moment its better to shut down "every" European based station - both internet and FM, both private and National radio

Just for the record : a) Lilly Allen is an UK artist , b) She is not a Hip Hop artist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily_Allen

 

I always thought that music was a way to express feelings, not since some decades but since the first time the first human being made its own instrument.

I agree that some don't gonna agree with my point of view .. but please open for once your eyes and see that on a forum there are not only US users but also people from other sides of the world who don't make an issue about censorship ...

 

Enjoy Your week and pls stay friendly to your neighbour .. :clown::badtaste:

I hate listening to some of these internet stations that play all unedited music...it sickens me to be honest...

Now some rock music, it's fine, but that hip hop bullshit is for the birds with unedited, because every 5 seconds a foul word is spoken in those tracks

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There are a ton of reasons to censor songs. I've gotten emails thanking me for playing censored songs (although I don't specifically censor anything). Plenty of people don't want to hear constant swearing, but still like the music a lot, or want their kinds to be able to listen. Not every form of censorship is bad. Not everything needs to be heard by everyone at every moment. If I was staking live calls on the air, and some prankster calls in, I'd like to be able to drop his call and continue without annoying all the listeners.

 

"Censoring" words on AM/FM radio works the exact same way for internet radio. You purchase a broadcast delay (http://www.bswusa.com/proditem.asp?item=6000AT) and pipe everything through it. If something is said that shouldn't be heard, someone hits the button on the delay and dumps the audio before it's send to a server or transmitter.

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There are a ton of reasons to censor songs. I've gotten emails thanking me for playing censored songs (although I don't specifically censor anything). Plenty of people don't want to hear constant swearing, but still like the music a lot, or want their kinds to be able to listen. Not every form of censorship is bad. Not everything needs to be heard by everyone at every moment. If I was staking live calls on the air, and some prankster calls in, I'd like to be able to drop his call and continue without annoying all the listeners.

 

"Censoring" words on AM/FM radio works the exact same way for internet radio. You purchase a broadcast delay (http://www.bswusa.com/proditem.asp?item=6000AT) and pipe everything through it. If something is said that shouldn't be heard, someone hits the button on the delay and dumps the audio before it's send to a server or transmitter.

 

Agreed.

 

And yeah, the delay is internet radio can't be used to censor anything. Even if you have something you need to censor and as soon as it is sent through the encoder you shut off the shoutcast server or encoder, the listener will hear up to the point where the server or encoder was shut off.

 

Most terrestrial stations that take callers NEVER put the callers live on air, even if they have a delay, because it is hundreds of times easier to edit a pre-recorded phone call than censor it out live with a delay device.

 

And the places that use delay devices normally have someone sitting in another room doing the censoring.

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I'll be blunt here...I censor everything that comes through my station whether it be over the phone, through a music download or anything that will be played on the air...I am a family friendly station and I claim toi be the only station in country net radio that offers it. And to be honest out of the 40 or 50 stations I've checked out, I'm the only one that does offer that statement truthfully.

 

And one other grand thing, for those of you that ren't members of Radio magazine, there is a piece of software I've seen in some of the newsletters that you can get to censor songs and the what not and it send tones threough your PC when it detects this to edit and delay the song from airing certain words.

 

Other times I'll edit the tracks myself, and fill with some front end music, to make it edited....

 

I believe that censoring some songs in vital to great radio, especially all these hip hop tycoons that think their GD"ing MF'ing A$$ is the greatest thing since sliced bread, well it ain't, and I'm being honest, I went through my rap and hip hop stage as a teenager, but in my early 20's now I have no use for that crap music...

 

If it ain't clean or edited to a point I can stand it, I WILL NOT LISTEN TO IT!!! Trust me, you can ask my younger sister (17 yrs old) I will slap her hand everytime she turns rap and hip hop on in the car....

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Ok ... it looks that We have a discussion between the best of both worlds

First of all pardon Me for this reply .. but if it would be offensive to anyone ... please skip this part of the topic and go on reading an other reply

 

To Me as European, and I don't say that all Europeans are the same like Me, but when I watch MTV (a US based TV network) I'm getting nuts of all the beeps. Watching a reality TV show about the most famous US people gives Me the idea that "everyone" is talking dirty language .. everything is possible so far they use the wellknown "beep" to censor specific words who they call offensive language ... but its most human that people are saying words in difficult situations to express their feelings at that time .. to Me this looks very logical .. and they are for a part roots of the human behaviour - I don't say attitude ... I say behaviour

The content of many Hip Hop tracks are in fact the expression of very hard and deep feelings who are living in a part of the society who are made public by the making of a beat with lyrics.

I have some real "heavy" Hip Hop artists into my private contactlist ... Honestly the content of their emails is most proper English, written in a better way than most of the common emails ...

The idea of thinking about it by writing it is however possible ...

these hip hop tycoons that think their GD"ing MF'ing A$$ is the greatest thing since sliced bread

and nobody who is talking about offensive language .. that looks the most common thing

Before making any judgement .. its better to look into your own heart before acting

 

However offensive language is to some people not allowed .. they may express themself by writing that they gonna make an offensive behaviour to another person. A minor of 17 years isn't an adult and to several international laws accepted by lots of countries it is not known as "slap her hand" ...

If it ain't clean or edited to a point I can stand it, I WILL NOT LISTEN TO IT!!! Trust me, you can ask my younger sister (17 yrs old) I will slap her hand everytime she turns rap and hip hop on in the car....

At Belgian TV We have in "primetime" the most funniest videoclips ... euhmmm ... funniest ?

American Most Funniest Homevideos .. untill the Most Amazing Disaster Videos ... Great TV .. it is !

Kids of nearly 1 untill 7 years old are driving with their bicycle to trees, are banging with their head against walls, are falling down from a table or couch .. and guess what ... the "tape with the best laugh" wins the competition .. but important the voice of the voice-over is telling Us that nobody was hurt or is saying "don't try this at home" ...

It looks to Me as the time of Julius Ceasar .. Give the people bread and games .. and laugh with the pain of the others ... 2000 years BC it looks that We didn't made yet 1 step ahead

 

To finish I wanna tell you something funny .. well it sounds funny to Me !

Lately there's a show on 1 of the Belgian National TV music channels about Paris Hilton ... she's in search for her new BFF

If I say BFF in my language in the way it is written .. it sounds as BEF

BW members who do understand Dutch do know very well what this means ..

If I have to explain this into English I'm pretty sure that this post gonna get a banned banner on top of it for reaosn of the L , P , S and other words of the alphabet who gonna sound to some as offensive language ...

To radiobroadcasting ... to explain the word BEF it would become an at least 2 minutes long beep to cover all "not" common words

As clue .. one of the "smillies" into the list of BW smillies gets pretty close to the meaning of it :doh:

 

Maybe We can make a "funny" contest in search of the Dutch meaning :) lol

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I have split this topic into a new one, Philippe feel free to change your first post as you are now the starter of the thread :)

 

Just a note, i dont usually like debates as they end up in someone leaving the forum because of other people. (I dont understand why they do that and abandon my site and blame it all on the staff, we have a thing called blocked users). So thats why this will be a heavy moderated topic, if you post in here, you agree that we can remove your posts at any time without reason given. This is a valid topic discussion and i hope we dont have anything too serious on our hands later on :)

 

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I suppose it comes down to station owners acting in the best interests of their listeners.

 

I do that by not censoring anything (yet), others may choose there own way.

 

This is another 'there is no right way' but I would be interested to find out what others do on their stations.

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Again, I'll be honest, everyone knows Kid Rock has made the format jump to country here of late, and saome of his songs, don't have radio edit versions available, and I've had to go into Adobe Audition and make a radio edit version.

 

Picture for instance, by Kid Rock and Shryl Crow, Rock, makes an innuendo to coaine, I literally went in and edited it out...I have no use for mentions of drugs as well as excessive language in a record....it honestly degrades the value and if it were up to me, the more an artist swore in a record, I would add a dollar to original value of it, so if it sold for $15, if he had 30 offensive words that i deemed offensive as a record label producer, i would tack $30 on to the price of the album, so in turn $45 for an album, and if his sales declined, well i'd teach him to watch his language...

 

I mean i'm no angel by any means I swear like a sailor off the air, but i make a habit of keeping it clean on the air no matter what I have to do.

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Each station operator has to decide what is best. I said I don't censor songs, mind you I only play pop hits of the 70s, 80s and 90s so there was very little to censor anyway, no rap with a curse every third word. :Z: If a song was really bad rather than censor it I just would not play it I suppose but if it was that bad it would not have been a big chart hit in it's un-edited form so I suppose I got it easy with the content I do play.
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Kid Rock is also popular this side of the world

Their track "Kid Rock - All Summer Long" has got during the Summer 2008 even a Dutch version by a Belgian artist, translation was similar to the original content.

Kid Rock has radio edits, if you look to my playlist (see website On Demand Request > click "K") you gonna see next to the song (radio edit)

Kid Rock has made the format jump to country here of late, and saome of his songs, don't have radio edit versions available

Afterall every song who is made by artists contains expressions about moods, love, relationships, violence etc etc

 

Songs are a reflection of society .. Remember the 50s with the Rock and Roll .. this was a part of the Young ones those days who decided to make in an other way music than the smooth clean music of those days .. however the content of some of those "old smooth clean" songs don't need any imagination of what they're willing to tell to the listener .. but it is done in a way that it can be understood both ways

During the 60s We had a kind of revolution in music with more explicit lyrics who condemned war and the songs explained the anger of that time but also the idea of making love and not war ... Remember the Flower Power movement of those days ...

After the Glitter Rock in the early 70s We had a "Disco generation" who shared their ideas about what the happy life meant .. fun was "hot" and it didn't matter if that fun was made by straight or Bi people ... Remember the days of the all famous Studio 54 ...

The 80s brought Us a kind of mix of ideas .. from "Spin Me around" over "Passion" untill the "Summer of 69" with in between tons of projects who where all "1 day hit wonders"

In Europe We had from the mid-80s on a genre "New Beat" ... this where tracks with sometimes a very low BPM who had a content all about sex in general ... I'm gonna spare you all details .. but some titles where "real heavy" .. these tracks where most popular into local disco's and because of their success some of them reached also airplay at FM stations

Upto the 90s the Flowers, Happiness and Sex was replaced by a rather new issue who was at that time not that common in Europe ... Popular Dance - House tracks had most of the time a content about drugs etc .. but gave Us also artists who are still popular these days

 

From my point of view I see the current music (released from 2000 untill today) as a small flashback to the 60s .. because lots of artists are using topics who are happening into Our daily life ...

 

As I wrote earlier .. music is a reflection of time and feelings

If We would be able to delete aka edit all bad things in life as it is done to tracks of artists .. I'm curious and I wonder to know if life should be still that amazing as it is these days

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This is a very huge controversial issue that I have had to deal with recently. I do believe that internet radio should be free form and there be no regulations, however, there should at least be a disclaimer on the site or in the station description. The only problem to that is, no one will listen. Think about porn on the internet. They say, "you must be 18 or over to view" but how do they know that your not lying, I mean, lets all be honest, most of our porn viewing happened before 18 (LOL). So, I guess where I am getting at is, there really is no point to censoring since no ones going to listen to the warnings.

 

I still think mainstream should be censored because they have more control and a much larger audience. Idk, thats just my view on this.

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I do believe that internet radio should be free form and there be no regulations, however, there should at least be a disclaimer on the site or in the station description.

 

Think about porn on the internet. They say, "you must be 18 or over to view" but how do they know that your not lying, I mean, lets all be honest, most of our porn viewing happened before 18 (LOL).

 

So, I guess where I am getting at is, there really is no point to censoring since no ones going to listen to the warnings.

 

I still think mainstream should be censored because they have more control and a much larger audience. Idk, thats just my view on this.

 

And in that regard that is why I try to find censored music even though it is country music lol, they still have certain songs that if they are not edited, they make the artist look like crap.

 

Honestly with that Kid Rock song, his label probably doesn't know, but to be honest I'm not gonna let some druggie sing about crack on my airwaves, and therefore I edited it, end of story...

 

I do what I do, so that the listeners won't have to spend time reading some bogus disclaimer but yet just come on in to our streams, and listen for themselves, if they don't like it, they leave, but either way we just got some TLH, and that helps our numbers, plus they could always say to their friends, hey there's this country station on the net that actually has some sense to edit some of the dirty songs, and they are great for someone who doesn't like it....

 

So all-in-all we got referrals from people, and got more TLH, it's a great day in the world for all of us at Highway 40 Country

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To my knowledge most of the CDs who are released of 1 particular song (aka singles) do have the radio edit, an extented version or remix and / or a second song (before the CD excisted known as the flip-side or B-side)

Isn't that similar at the US ?

Or do We get at Europe other releases from songs who are made at the US ?

but you have to be a member to have access to some of the edits.

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They Also Have RadioCurrents.com, which I just recently became a member of, and some of quite a few songs that I have that needed an edit, i had to find on Rhapsody or just edit it myself, because RadioCurrents is the only site i can get access to as an internet station.
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RadioCurrents is the only site i can get access to as an internet station.

 

FYI, the sites I listed above are all available to internet broadcasters and we are a member of all of them.

 

MP3 Pool is actually available to any music playing service, whether it is an FM station, a net station, or a mobile disc jockey.

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I guess I'll chime in here. I've known Wayne for a long time (too long to be honest) and we are friends (and now business partners with High Speed Productions), but we have a completely different view on censorship.

 

I think the beauty of being involved in internet radio is that I can (if I want) go live on the air and rattle off all "deadly 7" with no fear of fines or being shut down.

 

I have some music that is edited by the distribution house that sends me the music and I have some that is straight from CDs that artists send me and are not edited.

 

A great English band (No Connection) was concerned about "Feed The Machine" being played on my station because it starts with a sentence containing "the F word", but I explained to them that we're an internet station and we can play anything that we like.

 

I think it all comes down to what YOU feel is best for YOUR station and YOUR listeners. I know that my listeners would call me out if I was to start playing edited music on a regular basis.

 

I don't know about the legality of editing someone's music yourself. I think they could have a potential lawsuit.

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To my knowledge most of the CDs who are released of 1 particular song (aka singles) do have the radio edit, an extented version or remix and / or a second song (before the CD excisted known as the flip-side or B-side)

Isn't that similar at the US ?

Or do We get at Europe other releases from songs who are made at the US ?

 

This is normally the case, but a good example of this not being the case is in the song Maroon 5 - Makes Me Wonder.

 

"And it really makes me wonder if I ever gave a **** about you"

 

Even on iTunes for quite a while, the version they had for download which was NOT marked explicit said the word. Only way to get the version with the word "thought" instead of the other word or just to have it completely missing was through a radio service.

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I don't know about the legality of editing someone's music yourself. I think they could have a potential lawsuit.

 

If you really think about it though, is there any possible way for anyone to find out that you have edited it? I'm not saying you should do it because you can't get caught, I am just curious about that.

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