James Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 ok.. theres alot of programs out there that allow you to record a part of a live stream. well theres the other way just streaming and opening an editing program : but anyway recording a stream... is it illegal? in one way or another i think it is.. if you redistribute apart of that stream then yes i think but if your recording to listen later or podcast it. whats your thoughts? Studiio - All-In-One Radio Communication Platform SMS | Phone Calls | Social Media | Content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 the easiest one i found was streamripper plugin for winamp station ripper is good too since it also snags the album art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk101 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 If you want to stop ppl from ripping you stream i suggest R.I.P. works great, easy to set-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 If you want to stop ppl from ripping you stream i suggest R.I.P. works great, easy to set-up. haha classic name Studiio - All-In-One Radio Communication Platform SMS | Phone Calls | Social Media | Content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberSlash69 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Dunno if its illegal or not, but multiple people record my shows each week for replays during the week. We use Replay AV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj.plazma Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I use R.I.P. to thwart stream rippers. Like someone said earlier it's up to debate whether it's illegal or not but I tend to fall on the Obtaining Music Free side and consider it stealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 10, 2008 Author Share Posted May 10, 2008 i think at a certain degree, its legal. i mean you are just listening at it again at a different time. Studiio - All-In-One Radio Communication Platform SMS | Phone Calls | Social Media | Content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk101 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Very true James, but if the station that people are ripping from pays royalties....then they are in a way stealing from the station. I understand if someone wants to rip and then listen later on their own time, but quite a few people rip and then send it out as their own podcast, etc....That would be considered stealing to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 10, 2008 Author Share Posted May 10, 2008 that is true stealing, plus if they record the stream, cut the song and distribute that.. Studiio - All-In-One Radio Communication Platform SMS | Phone Calls | Social Media | Content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk101 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 That's exactly it! I have come across many ripped songs available for download in my time, and it just boggles my mind???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 10, 2008 Author Share Posted May 10, 2008 ive only heard one found on a P2P program from my station :( i could tell cause it had me introducing the song on it :o Studiio - All-In-One Radio Communication Platform SMS | Phone Calls | Social Media | Content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk101 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 The thing that sucks about that is you won't be able to find out who ripped it and put the track up on the P2P program originaly..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 10, 2008 Author Share Posted May 10, 2008 yeah :( you just cant stop it.. luckily.. the person who ripped it had the BW ad in it haha Studiio - All-In-One Radio Communication Platform SMS | Phone Calls | Social Media | Content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADcHATTER Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Lets face it...there is no real way to prevent stream ripping. Sure you can setup some proprietary stream player, but anyone with a decent soundcard and recorder can rip the music as it's played! It's no different than recording a song off FM stereo directly to tape in a boombox. And I think we've all done that at some point! Unless we start putting something in over the music as it plays, like some kind of audio watermark that says something every 10 seconds. Listeners will leave in droves if we did that! The biggest problem we as broadcasters face is the Gestapo tactics of the RIAA and the Labels. They represent a dinosaur of a business model they want to keep alive! And many similar organizations around the world are either following their lead or are pushed into it by the RIAA. Terrestrial AM/FM pays NO performace royalties, they pay a small royalty for the songwriters/producers. They consider the music they play to be a "service" to the artists as promotion! Yet, Satellite radio only pays 6% of revenues and Cable radio only pays 7.5% of revenues. Internet Radio is expected to pay for each song played and each listener who hears that song. Under the old CARP agreements we payed a fraction of a penny for each song played no matter how many listeners. Not anymore...now it's "Per Listener". For example, in 2007 iWebRadio.com for 60,000 Total Listener Hours would have been expected to pay the RIAA alone (this doesnt cover SESAC, BMI or ASCAP) $86,000 US dollars and the station had an income of less than $5,000.00 from donations and online commissions. Grossly unfair? I think so! And because of this ruling, Artists are the ones NOT getting paid. The RIAA and Labels say the rates are fair. Yeah...and monkeys might fly outta my butt! And yet on top of these outrageous royalty fees they also expected us to institute some form of Anti-Ripping technology that insures no one can record the music. Considering they sued many P2P's out of business...the P2P industry is still booming! I am confident that eventually someone will see the light and institute a resonable and fair system. When, I have no clue. But if it means moving our broadcasts to Russia then so be it! Pirate Radio is becoming popular once more and thanks to the RIAA and CRB...it's expanding! MADcHATTER MADcHATTER.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADcHATTER Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Lets face it...there is no real way to prevent stream ripping. Sure you can setup some proprietary stream player, but anyone with a decent soundcard and recorder can rip the music as it's played! It's no different than recording a song off FM stereo directly to tape in a boombox. And I think we've all done that at some point! Unless we start putting something in over the music as it plays, like some kind of audio watermark that says something every 10 seconds. Listeners will leave in droves if we did that! The biggest problem we as broadcasters face is the Gestapo tactics of the RIAA and the Labels. They represent a dinosaur of a business model they want to keep alive! And many similar organizations around the world are either following their lead or are pushed into it by the RIAA. Terrestrial AM/FM pays NO performace royalties, they pay a small royalty for the songwriters/producers. They consider the music they play to be a "service" to the artists as promotion! Yet, Satellite radio only pays 6% of revenues and Cable radio only pays 7.5% of revenues. Internet Radio is expected to pay for each song played and each listener who hears that song. Under the old CARP agreements we payed a fraction of a penny for each song played no matter how many listeners. Not anymore...now it's "Per Listener". For example, in 2007 iWebRadio.com for 60,000 Total Listener Hours would have been expected to pay the RIAA alone (this doesnt cover SESAC, BMI or ASCAP) $86,000 US dollars and the station had an income of less than $5,000.00 from donations and online commissions. Grossly unfair? I think so! And because of this ruling, Artists are the ones NOT getting paid. The RIAA and Labels say the rates are fair. Yeah...and monkeys might fly outta my butt! And yet on top of these outrageous royalty fees they also expected us to institute some form of Anti-Ripping technology that insures no one can record the music. Considering they sued many P2P's out of business...the P2P industry is still booming! I am confident that eventually someone will see the light and institute a resonable and fair system. When, I have no clue. But if it means moving our broadcasts to Russia then so be it! Pirate Radio is becoming popular once more and thanks to the RIAA and CRB...it's expanding! MADcHATTER MADcHATTER.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 20, 2008 Author Share Posted May 20, 2008 well.. firstly you cannot get good recordings off FM. In Australia we have a buzz that goes over our radio that can only be heard over recordings. And i do it on my station, we play our intros just over our words so people dont get the full songs. plus another.. compressors do alot for me, when you try record it its too bassy. ;) The RIAA are grossly overcharging us and its getting very costly to me. i can only broadcast certain times according to ARIA :( but good points there MADcHATTER Studiio - All-In-One Radio Communication Platform SMS | Phone Calls | Social Media | Content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 20, 2008 Author Share Posted May 20, 2008 well.. firstly you cannot get good recordings off FM. In Australia we have a buzz that goes over our radio that can only be heard over recordings. And i do it on my station, we play our intros just over our words so people dont get the full songs. plus another.. compressors do alot for me, when you try record it its too bassy. ;) The RIAA are grossly overcharging us and its getting very costly to me. i can only broadcast certain times according to ARIA :( but good points there MADcHATTER Studiio - All-In-One Radio Communication Platform SMS | Phone Calls | Social Media | Content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigloo Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I use R.I.P. but I think it is no longer available or supported (I could be wrong)..... great script though. ________ Lou Bigloo Christian Radio http://www/biglooradio.com/ digiSTREAM SHOUTcast Hosting http://www.digistream.info/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigloo Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I use R.I.P. but I think it is no longer available or supported (I could be wrong)..... great script though. ________ Lou Bigloo Christian Radio http://www/biglooradio.com/ digiSTREAM SHOUTcast Hosting http://www.digistream.info/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 25, 2008 Author Share Posted June 25, 2008 What do you get out of recording a stream? Do you do it for the songs or just to listen to later? Just wondering Studiio - All-In-One Radio Communication Platform SMS | Phone Calls | Social Media | Content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 25, 2008 Author Share Posted June 25, 2008 What do you get out of recording a stream? Do you do it for the songs or just to listen to later? Just wondering Studiio - All-In-One Radio Communication Platform SMS | Phone Calls | Social Media | Content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj.plazma Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 There are a number of other things that can be done to thwart the stream ripper as well. I have a script that offsets the time interval that the ID3 tag is updated on my servers. It will randomly vary the time from five seconds to a minute. Those rippers that use the ID3 tag to separate the songs end up getting hosed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj.plazma Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 There are a number of other things that can be done to thwart the stream ripper as well. I have a script that offsets the time interval that the ID3 tag is updated on my servers. It will randomly vary the time from five seconds to a minute. Those rippers that use the ID3 tag to separate the songs end up getting hosed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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