TwiZtah Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Hey guys, As of lastnight I found myself in a bit of a situation. I happened to stumble on someone who is starting a internet radio station and would like me to help him out. He has a place to park the station but ShoutCast was too spendy. Does anyone have any ideas for me to pass on??? I think he is looking at around 100 or even 200 listeners, not that he will have that many at a given time but it's good to have space for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiZtah Posted May 14, 2009 Author Share Posted May 14, 2009 I was thinking maybe SWCast? but that is a Host/stream I do believe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitnitr Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 I'm not sure he will need 100 slots to start. I certainly didn't. My suggestion is for him to start his station with 25-50 slots, and get his sea legs before adding slots. Maybe by then, he will have the income to add the slots he would need if he lists with iTunes and/or Windows Media Tuner. As for stream hosts: KWD Services-http://kwdservices.com M2M-http://www.mouse-mouse.co.uk Shoutcast Streaming-http://www.shoutcaststreaming.us Bandwidth Daddy-http://www.bandwidthdaddy.com Fast-Serv-http://www.fast-serv.com I've used all these companies, and still do with some, and they are all high quality companies that desire to please their customers. There are obviously other stream hosts that are reputable, but these are a few that I had good experience with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutish Sailor Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 SWCast is a licensing company to stay legal, not a stream host. I DO BELIEVE they have a streamhost/licensing package. Not positive. KNSJ.org / 89.1 FM San Diego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THFS Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 I highly suggest you check out http://www.broadcastingworld.net/reviews/hosts/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiZtah Posted May 15, 2009 Author Share Posted May 15, 2009 SWCast is a licensing company to stay legal, not a stream host. I DO BELIEVE they have a streamhost/licensing package. Not positive. Yes they have a streamhost/licensing package , it runs for around 30 bucks a month which all n all isn't bad. They require you to launch from there though, which due to my lack of understanding yet I do not know if that is common with all the other places. Another question that comes up with that in mind is this, can you be streaming from two places at the same time? Let's say I were to go with SWCast and I always launched from their site, would I also be able to use a "station" page that is hosted on another domain??? Thanks to everyone else who replied. I did go and check out the reviews and I was able to find some Shoucast deals that I forwarded to my friend. This something I am getting to learn from for when I finally launch my own station as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutish Sailor Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 OK, your asking about licensing. If your an American broadcaster using copywrighted material (material from any record label BUT excluding creative commons No rights reserved licensed music) you fall under the DMCA. No matter what JLA (read about it at SWCast) you go to, you will be issued a licensed launch page. THE REASON THESE EXSIST: It has nothing to do with the royalties, but with the software. The moment you got into radio, you are now considered a commercial entity. If you make no cash off it, you are still considered a " money losing commercial entity" under the DMCA and subject to the maximum laws of the DMCA. WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH A LAUNCH PAGE? : Simple, now that you are a commercial entity, you now fall under commercial laws with software use. That means that if you are using WMP, REAL, or other widgets.... You need to pay the company that makes the software that you launch your music stream through. Your JLA pays this. WHAT IF I JUST USE A DIRECT IP:PORT LINK and have people launch streams off that? Illegal by DMCA Can I use a webhost and license under JLA? : ABSOLUTELY! You change your plan with your licensing group to whats now known as a "pro" plan. It allows you to use ATH ( The total hours listened by all listeners) to do business. I commonly thought you can only license one stream at a time, but I have been told differently. Drop a ticket and ask your JLA licensing host. Can you have a page with custom content? : YES. Usually a licensing host will charge you a few extra dollars to set up a area to launch your "custom content" page. I forget what SWCast calls it, but same concept. The actual launch page of the music must be on that page. A whole lot of extras to this. KNSJ.org / 89.1 FM San Diego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutish Sailor Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Now read this about magnatunes. You might find this interesting.... http://magnatune.com/info/podcast Im trying to write up a proposal at the moment for Buckman to be able to use his music for radio use in other streams I have been thinking of starting. I would be keeping my primary JLA stream (Dead Awaken Radio) OF COURSE I would have to get a commercial licesnse from them, BUT Maybe he can work out a deal of $200-300 paid in installments of $20. Then once its paid off, NEVER have to deal with any licensing groups again under those streams. Yeah, they only have 287 artist. So the solution? Convince every artist I know to side with them. Creative commons is the one alliance we all need to side with to SAVE HOBBY NET RADIO. It would be the first, and DEFY the wrong logic in our current royalty system. More on that here.... http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=306210 KNSJ.org / 89.1 FM San Diego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutish Sailor Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 And I know what you are all saying... YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT USING SOFTWARE TO LAUNCH? Yes...Yes I did. Work out a deal with an open source flash media server provider like red5 and an open source flash player = Im golden. And of course my Creative Commons banner on my site, which I will let that flag wave proudly. No music that falls under the DMCA= I will tell every one of those basterds to bite me and have a B-sides Sunday like back in the day, followed by a triple play weekday (havent decided the day, this is if everything falls together and WAAAAAY down the road) KNSJ.org / 89.1 FM San Diego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiZtah Posted May 16, 2009 Author Share Posted May 16, 2009 The only issue I have with the podcasting is that I don't want to podcast. I mean it makes sense and everything but to me it just takes so much away from doing a show live. I like the sounds of your proposal though. It would be quite an undertaking to get other artists to make the move. I think it could be done though, with enough people and time and NEVER have to pay Royalty fees again.... ahhhhhh sounds good to me. Thanks for the informational about licensing also... This station I am getting involved with is unique, It is going to be for a 3D chat site so the listener base is already there. There are already some stations in there but they are "dedicated to different servers in the chat program so it's interesting to see all these stations at work. Some of them are just ran on auto I think and some have live DJ's so I'm pretty stoked about this. Things just cant move fast enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutish Sailor Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Oh no, I wouldn't podcast. I used it as a pin on this company to prove that going through them would offer true royalty free with all the licenses sent. Now if only they would extend that to broadcasters... GOLDEN. I know your pain on getting a station together. Some people can throw them together as quick as day, some take time. KNSJ.org / 89.1 FM San Diego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickSS Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 And you "never" stop learning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutish Sailor Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Most true statement spoken in the industry yet. I have got a LOOOONG way to go, but it keeps it fun. KNSJ.org / 89.1 FM San Diego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberstreaming Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 You are still learning when you hit 70 or 80. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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