James Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 welll... theres alot of hype about royalties and if people are paying them. is it fair? i have to say its quite expensive to run my hobby. well one station atleast. tell me more... Studiio - All-In-One Radio Communication Platform SMS | Phone Calls | Social Media | Content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djMot Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Of course I pay royalties. But then I operate out of the USA and have little choice in the matter - if I care to remain on the air, that is. I certainly don't mind that the artists get compensated for the awesome music they produce. It would be inconsiderate to not compensate them. What I feel is massively unfair is paying way more than terrestrial radio or satellite radio to do the exact same thing! And I certainly am frustrated by legislative bodies that seem hell bent on destroying the entire USA-based internet radio industry! djMot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 18, 2008 Author Share Posted February 18, 2008 yeah, its very unfair internet stations have to pay nearly DOUBLE the amount than fm/am broadcasters! its very unfair Studiio - All-In-One Radio Communication Platform SMS | Phone Calls | Social Media | Content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgrradio Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 TGR pays, we started with Loudcity, but are now using SWcast.net Loudcity was costing us 34 bucks a month and we weren't coming close to the 5k TLH so there was no reason for all the coverage, SWcast offers a 2k TLH and with the add-ons for the personal html page and what not like LC it comes to 14 bucks a month, much easier to pay when you have a station that doesn't make an income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MixStream.net Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 In the UK, there are two licensing bodies, and Internet stations have to pay them both. You have the MCPS-PRS Alliance who collect royalties for the artists and publishers (this is a blanket license and is charged at a flat fee pre year up to a certain number of "tune-ins"). The station I run pays the MCPS-PRS license fee, I think it's about £80 per quarter. The other is the PPL who collect on behalf of the record labels (recording copyright) and these charge per track per listener I think so you have to submit detailed reports. As the station I run plays more underground music, we are able to get around this by approaching record lables directly and getting permission from them. With underground forms of music, most labels are happy to get promotion from smaller stations as they don't get it from larger stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigloo Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I use loudcity - love their service. If you're in the US and you don't pay royalties... reconsider. A friend of mine operated a small station... never got more than 15-20 listeners - he was not licensed or paying royalties.... Soundexchange slapped him with a $25,000USD lawsuit and won. He's now paying that off. For me? I don't have 25k in my back pocket to freely give out. ________ Lou Bigloo Christian Radio http://www/biglooradio.com/ digiSTREAM SHOUTcast Hosting http://www.digistream.info/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigloo Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I use loudcity - love their service. If you're in the US and you don't pay royalties... reconsider. A friend of mine operated a small station... never got more than 15-20 listeners - he was not licensed or paying royalties.... Soundexchange slapped him with a $25,000USD lawsuit and won. He's now paying that off. For me? I don't have 25k in my back pocket to freely give out. ________ Lou Bigloo Christian Radio http://www/biglooradio.com/ digiSTREAM SHOUTcast Hosting http://www.digistream.info/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 wow, thats harsh :(. im not broadcasting much these days, im keeping my fees low Studiio - All-In-One Radio Communication Platform SMS | Phone Calls | Social Media | Content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 wow, thats harsh :(. im not broadcasting much these days, im keeping my fees low Studiio - All-In-One Radio Communication Platform SMS | Phone Calls | Social Media | Content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADcHATTER Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 We originally were operating on Live365 and part of our contract was that Royalty Payments were paid out of our monthly payments (which were considerable then) when the CRB decision came down and we learned we would have to pay $86,000 for our 60,000+ TLH...Live365 got stuck with that (guess they never figured on this happening) as a result, to continue operating on Live365 we would have to have sold over $8,000 a month in adverising just to play music to the same number of listeners. And Live365 changed the rules on us as a Premium Channel and inserted their ad's into our streams. That broke the camels back! So we opted to do like many US companies did and move our operations (servers) overseas. We now broadcast out of France. We also paid annually a sum of $2,000 for Composer/Producer royalties just like AM/FM radio does in the US to BMI/SESAC and ASCAP. Our income was less than $2,000 a year! As I see it, what we do is no different than Terrestrial Radio with the possible exception that we dont edit ourselves (as we have no oversite by the FCC) and we dont sell advertising like they do! This is a hobby but we get no breaks whatsoever! If that makes us a "Pirate" station so be it. We did what many companies in the US did when it became impossible to operate in the US. We moved ala NAFTA. Until such time as a truly fair and equitable royatly rate is re-established the CRB, RIAA and the Labels can kiss my partially Irish behind! You cant get blood from a stone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADcHATTER Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 We originally were operating on Live365 and part of our contract was that Royalty Payments were paid out of our monthly payments (which were considerable then) when the CRB decision came down and we learned we would have to pay $86,000 for our 60,000+ TLH...Live365 got stuck with that (guess they never figured on this happening) as a result, to continue operating on Live365 we would have to have sold over $8,000 a month in adverising just to play music to the same number of listeners. And Live365 changed the rules on us as a Premium Channel and inserted their ad's into our streams. That broke the camels back! So we opted to do like many US companies did and move our operations (servers) overseas. We now broadcast out of France. We also paid annually a sum of $2,000 for Composer/Producer royalties just like AM/FM radio does in the US to BMI/SESAC and ASCAP. Our income was less than $2,000 a year! As I see it, what we do is no different than Terrestrial Radio with the possible exception that we dont edit ourselves (as we have no oversite by the FCC) and we dont sell advertising like they do! This is a hobby but we get no breaks whatsoever! If that makes us a "Pirate" station so be it. We did what many companies in the US did when it became impossible to operate in the US. We moved ala NAFTA. Until such time as a truly fair and equitable royatly rate is re-established the CRB, RIAA and the Labels can kiss my partially Irish behind! You cant get blood from a stone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 14, 2008 Author Share Posted June 14, 2008 haha, sounds fair MADcHATTER. The industry are really ripping stations off. Studiio - All-In-One Radio Communication Platform SMS | Phone Calls | Social Media | Content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 14, 2008 Author Share Posted June 14, 2008 haha, sounds fair MADcHATTER. The industry are really ripping stations off. Studiio - All-In-One Radio Communication Platform SMS | Phone Calls | Social Media | Content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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