Stancefm Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Hey, How does the listening hours work? is it per person? If I purchase a loudcity.net licence is that a global licence and does the licence cover all other radio licensing such as PRS For Music & PPLUK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesdean Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 No LoudCity is for USA only. You have to contact PPL and PRS through their own websites. All details are there although it is very complicated. I am glad I do not stream on the internet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citrus3 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Hello Stancefm. James is absolutely right. In the UK you would need a PPL and PRS. I believe the services have become a lot cheaper recently so you should be ok. If you have 20 listeners constantly all the time for a month. That would be a total of 14400 listening hours. Your best bet is to work out how many listeners you have on average, i.e. in the day 100 in the late evening 75, and early morning 50. So would be best to say you have around 80ish on average. Times that by 24 and then by 30. A lot of UK clients do go the loudcity route as it is like a shield almost. If you have it chances are high that nobody will ask you a thing as you are paying the artists their cut. What your not paying is the bodies in your own country though who you are supposed to pay to organise the royalties to go to the relevant artists, and of course a bit of pocket money for themselves ;) Hope that helps Citrus 3 Shoutcast Hosting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stancefm Posted January 6, 2011 Author Share Posted January 6, 2011 Hello Stancefm. James is absolutely right. In the UK you would need a PPL and PRS. I believe the services have become a lot cheaper recently so you should be ok. If you have 20 listeners constantly all the time for a month. That would be a total of 14400 listening hours. Your best bet is to work out how many listeners you have on average, i.e. in the day 100 in the late evening 75, and early morning 50. So would be best to say you have around 80ish on average. Times that by 24 and then by 30. A lot of UK clients do go the loudcity route as it is like a shield almost. If you have it chances are high that nobody will ask you a thing as you are paying the artists their cut. What your not paying is the bodies in your own country though who you are supposed to pay to organise the royalties to go to the relevant artists, and of course a bit of pocket money for themselves ;) Hope that helps Is there no uk alternative? If I purchased a loudcity.net licence could I still get in trouble? Would I be technically broadcasting illegally? This is so stressful, I need a licence which covers everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citrus3 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Its a really tough one to call. To put it simply yes its illegal because you are financially located in the UK, and if thats where your bank account and yourself live you have a bubble around you saying that you will obey the rules and laws. So the rule is that if you are playing copyrighted material you will pay the fees to the artists and the the body who pays the artists for you and to the body who allows you to have music on your hard drive for sharing. These bodies are known as PPL and PRS. They offer packages for small web casters however the price might be a lot more than loudcity. Loudcity would pretty much do the same thing for you in terms of paying the artist. So in a way if say your playing a David Guetta track and Mr Guetta hears you playing it and you have Loudcity then he is getting paid, therefore he can not nor can his label take you to court. If however your advertising the fact that your a UK radio and PPL happen to crawl across your site then chances are they will just tell you to stop broadcasting. One of our clients had no idea he was broadcasting copyrighted music and when he enquired with ppl and told them he had been streaming for 6 months all they said was "please stop broadcasting as you have not got the sufficient licence" Hope that helps Citrus 3 Shoutcast Hosting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stancefm Posted January 6, 2011 Author Share Posted January 6, 2011 Hello Stancefm. James is absolutely right. In the UK you would need a PPL and PRS. I believe the services have become a lot cheaper recently so you should be ok. If you have 20 listeners constantly all the time for a month. That would be a total of 14400 listening hours. Your best bet is to work out how many listeners you have on average, i.e. in the day 100 in the late evening 75, and early morning 50. So would be best to say you have around 80ish on average. Times that by 24 and then by 30. A lot of UK clients do go the loudcity route as it is like a shield almost. If you have it chances are high that nobody will ask you a thing as you are paying the artists their cut. What your not paying is the bodies in your own country though who you are supposed to pay to organise the royalties to go to the relevant artists, and of course a bit of pocket money for themselves ;) Hope that helps Its a really tough one to call. To put it simply yes its illegal because you are financially located in the UK, and if thats where your bank account and yourself live you have a bubble around you saying that you will obey the rules and laws. So the rule is that if you are playing copyrighted material you will pay the fees to the artists and the the body who pays the artists for you and to the body who allows you to have music on your hard drive for sharing. These bodies are known as PPL and PRS. They offer packages for small web casters however the price might be a lot more than loudcity. Loudcity would pretty much do the same thing for you in terms of paying the artist. So in a way if say your playing a David Guetta track and Mr Guetta hears you playing it and you have Loudcity then he is getting paid, therefore he can not nor can his label take you to court. If however your advertising the fact that your a UK radio and PPL happen to crawl across your site then chances are they will just tell you to stop broadcasting. One of our clients had no idea he was broadcasting copyrighted music and when he enquired with ppl and told them he had been streaming for 6 months all they said was "please stop broadcasting as you have not got the sufficient licence" Hope that helps I myself don't live in the united kingdom, so I'm not sure how the licensing would work for me, I live in Ireland and the laws are different. Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citrus3 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 A radio licence is granted by the Broadcasting Commission of Ireland (BCI) (recently renamed the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland) Im not sure what they think of Loudcity. Loudcity pay BMI, ASCAP, etc... I think thats what they are called. Loudcity is the same cover as Live365 as I recall. Citrus 3 Shoutcast Hosting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stancefm Posted January 6, 2011 Author Share Posted January 6, 2011 A radio licence is granted by the Broadcasting Commission of Ireland (BCI) (recently renamed the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland) Im not sure what they think of Loudcity. Loudcity pay BMI, ASCAP, etc... I think thats what they are called. Loudcity is the same cover as Live365 as I recall. I contacted PPILTD about purchasing a licence through loudcity.com, hopefully they'll approve. I was told by PPLUK to contact PPILTD when purchasing a radio licence as an Irish Citizen. http://www.ppiltd.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citrus3 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Great stuff. Just in case your station doesn't play mainstream music you can always request permission from the artist/label to play their stuff. If you do this and you keep your emails its just as good as a licence. You will find if you send a nice enough request the label/artist will throw some free music your way. A few guys that help us maintain some of our servers run a house music radio and most of the artists were sending CDs every month with mixes etc... Citrus 3 Shoutcast Hosting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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