You give me technical excursus I give you idea.

[zviad]

Dear all readers and forum members,first of all I'd like to apologize you as posting new thread, maybe it's all about against of legacy of this forums. But I'm from Georgia and have tried all the way to finding out to the following issue here and as I could not decided to posted here.

 

so let's start.

 

So I post here technical requirenments and then who helps me I'll give him Commercial idea,about the following thread.

 

So I need to find out if there is any chance to set up some tools in a cars and broadcast from home or office? So I don't seem it about Radio Licenses and etc..

 

it's kind a local network and no FM and etc.. so any other person who has not got that tool will have not to listen that broadcastings..

 

Please tell me , if you have got any technical suggestions.

 

Thanks

 

Zviad

 

Tbilisi

[galaxymatt]

I don't mean to seem rude but i can't really make sense of your post.

 

You would like to stream internet radio in cars and offices?

 

With newer mobile devices and 3G mobile networks, internet radio is available pretty much anywhere and with many cars now sold with cd players that can have mobile phones, mp3 players etc to be connected to them this product pretty much already exists.

 

Matt.

[zviad]

I don't mean to seem rude but i can't really make sense of your post.

 

You would like to stream internet radio in cars and offices?

 

With newer mobile devices and 3G mobile networks, internet radio is available pretty much anywhere and with many cars now sold with cd players that can have mobile phones, mp3 players etc to be connected to them this product pretty much already exists.

 

Matt.

 

Matt a big thanks for replying.

 

 

I want to stream it from office to cars and don't care if it would be proceeded by internet radio or some wire technologies.

 

so you mean to install cd player with internet? and stream it from office?

 

how can I see that kind of cd players with internet radio or something?

[galaxymatt]

ok, so lets rule out what isn't possible

 

1. obviously we can't wire a car up if it's driving around

2. we can't transmit FM/AM etc

3. satelite radio / digital is already out there , the costs of setting up such a thing would probably be immense

 

I think what we're left with is streaming over the internet (obviously music royalties still apply) , so you can stream that from an office over the internet, then your looking at some sort of 3G device that can connect to the stream.

 

you know what, i'm just gonna say it....i don't think i can help lol, maybe someone with more expertise in this field can come up with something

 

 

Matt.

[zviad]

ok, so lets rule out what isn't possible

 

1. obviously we can't wire a car up if it's driving around

2. we can't transmit FM/AM etc

3. satelite radio / digital is already out there , the costs of setting up such a thing would probably be immense

 

I think what we're left with is streaming over the internet (obviously music royalties still apply) , so you can stream that from an office over the internet, then your looking at some sort of 3G device that can connect to the stream.

 

you know what, i'm just gonna say it....i don't think i can help lol, maybe someone with more expertise in this field can come up with something

 

 

Matt.

 

Matt

thx.

 

1.yes right.

2.We can't.or we don't want it.

 

 

3. what you mean satellite radio ? It's FM? or something like that?

[billh]

Hi Zviad,

 

3. Would cost lots of money

 

You will need an AM or FM station. You can not do what your trying to do.

[Dataman-19]

zviad

Not so technical reply: What you want is already available...

Digital Radio has "multiple channels" so a Digital FM Station can host sub channels".

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Point: We broadcast of Dital Sub carrier two anf three on five FM Broadcast Stations. We IP Stram into the Sub Channel Modulators and our studio feed goes out on the Commercial Station HD Channel that we lease from them.

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So in effect we are "commercially IP casting".

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So Is this what you are looking to do?

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I ahve also applied this method to an associates "At Register Advertising" business. We Stream the video ads over HD Radio Sub Channels to the receivers at the grocery stores. Since we are not "live casting" the slow speed video feed works to download the video ad spots into the computer ad servers at the store locations. We use the Internet to periodically log into the remote servers and do updates. The contract with the Grocery chains allows for us to use "their" internet connection to manage the servers. But doing Video feeds disrupts their internet oo much.

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Our method of delivery eliminated over 790 DSL subscriptions in the Phoenix Metropolitan area. This was costing my associtae over $39K monthly. Now he pays a $3,200 monthly lease and can service an unlimited number of locations (limited only by the signal of the HD Radio Station).

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Is this what yyou are looking for?

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Dave

Phoenix, AZ

Owner Gallactic Broadcasyting

and

Gallactic Music

[JamboUK]

I think what the OP is looking for is streaming into a car over some sort of private network which is not accessible to the general public!

 

If I am correct in this assumption then I would assume that some sort of VPN would be the way to do this as the mobile device in the car would log onto the VPN and then the stream would be accessible.

 

The problem is that my experience of VPN's is very limited and so I am unable to offer advice on how best to set this up.

 

The other possibility would be to set up a shoutcast server and set it to private, this would obviously not stop the general public from accessing the stream but they would have to know the stream ip and port number to access it as setting it to private means that it would not broadcast its details on Shoutcast or any other listing site.

 

In my opinion the stream would still need to be licensed if it was broadcasting music for which royalties are due whether it is streamed via shoutcast/icecast or over a VPN.

 

Sorry I cant be of any further assistance

[Dataman-19]

HD Radio allows for VPN Streaming (How do you think we get video streamed at less than optimal bandwidth - we stream in HD audio band, and use the software CODEC Program to assemble the Ad Video at the receiving server)..

Anyway, the misconception with HD Radio is that it is only compatable with Audio - Not true. With HD Radio we can stream Picture Ads direct to the receiver in the vehicle, and they are displayed on the LCD.

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We have used HD Radio Sub Channels to sent Text Data (similar to pagers - this trick works really well with the Ford Focus, The lexus, and the Mercedes Radios).

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So what exactly is the OP looking for?

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Using HD Radio to IP stream an internet feed is limited to one direction only. But - (This is a big But) Fed Ex and UPS is using HD Sib Carriers to tak with Regional Distro Rigs (They talk back to the server, but the HD Data Channel is sued to broadcast the database inquiries, and the GPS Satellite returns the path to the Regional dispatch).

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We developed a USB Dongle that essentially provided an audio port. The dongle was IP enabled and when plugged into a computer with Internet access provided an IP radio output channel. The dongle is configurable, but requires a computer with management software to change the stream IP. Our prototypes had seven IP channel capability (meaning you could program seven stations and use the dongle to listen to any of the seven by pushing a tactile switch which stepped you through the seven selections). Would have been really great - but then Ford came out with the Internet enabled radio used in the ford focus. Our dongle even worked with a cell phone that was internet capable (but our concerns were that people weren't smart enough to sign up with an unlimited bandwidth plan - hence if they signed up for a bufget plan, the bandwidth overages would financially kill them).

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Field testing was fantastic, it worked so well we tried to go into final funding to actually build and market them. The Wall Street ang killed it (Just like they killed our 340-mile per charge range Electric vehicle project - said there wasn't a market for portable IP Radio dongles. They also said there was no market for electric vehicles back in 2004. My personal advice is to NOT GET WALL STREET BANKERS INVOLVED IN ANY TECHNOLOGY PROJECT - UNLESS YOU ARE PREPARED TO SIGN THE WHOLE PROJECT AND ALL THE PROFITS OVER TO THEM). Wal Street doesn't understand Technology, unless the Government is subsidizing it - then they are all in...)

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With the next generation of auto radios to be launched in 2014-2016 time frame, they will be IP enabled. There is even a proposed option to two way the data stream. The prototypes I have seen are capable of picking up a broadcast IP stream that is basically simulcasts (meaning it is sent without the traditional IP Ping request, and do not require a session with the web server. Essentially it is going to move IP into the broadcasting realm. Now, the FCC still has to sign off on it (the cell phone carriers will undoubtedly have a say as well). But the prototypes are all using HD sub carriers - which is already FCC approved. Now you just have to get people to set up the HD Sub channels (like we do with the Retail Register Video Display advertising business).

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What I see as a road block is the fact that the IP Stream is broadcasts and not an actual "Stream session". This means one stream session could conceivably feed millions.... Boy, won't that challenge the current IP Radio business and billing model.

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Dave

Phoenix, AZ