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  1. 1. Do you prefer specific server location?

    • Yes, I'd like server to be closer to me/my listeners
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    • No, it doesn't matter.
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If you are streaming at 128 kbps or more, it is important that the ping times be 100 msec or less. Otherwise the latency might cause buffering.

Are you sure? I've tested broadcasting @ 256kbps with ping of about 300ms and it went smooth. I think it depends on encoding software (what packet size it uses) and buffer size on server side.

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I feel the future is cloud hosting. This platform is many servers from many locations all connected. So I voted no.

Probably... But even for web hosting, clouds are still not common. I'm not sure when (and if) they become common for streaming. "Cloud" is just a modern word. I think there are people who would call two servers with load balancing a "cloud"...

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I've tested broadcasting @ 256kbps with ping of about 300ms and it went smooth

Well you must be blessed. As for cloud, some people just want to sell products. It's latency that matters, not white fluffy things in the sky.

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Dedicated and shared servers will be obsolete very soon in our business.

 

So what does a cloud server run on ..... Magic pixie dust?

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I am so grateful I am not in the position where we are renting our cloud.

 

 

That's funny because a quick WHOIS search on Radiojar says their servers are hosted by godaddy

 

Domain Name: RADIOJAR.COM

Registrar: GODADDY.COM, LLC

Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com

Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com

 

 

So they are obviously renting something somewhere! Struggling to believe anything you say anymore Jim!!

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Dedicated and shared servers will be obsolete very soon in our business. No down time for maintenance, CPU working too hard, and etc. You have to realize that cloud hosting is the future, not the white fluffy things in the sky. Why would Apple and other well know companies only use this new platform? Just stating facts, is not trying to sell products. Technology in our business will always advance and become better. Just like the first cell phones were the size of a brick. Now they are have become "smart phones". How many people you know still using the old brick?

 

Im sorry what? Cloud hosting is just a marketing term. Apple has just glorified it with their "cloud" service which is just a bunch of servers behind a software wall which restricts storage for use by apps only. Hence why you cannot simply drag and drop files to "iCloud".

 

Cloud shoutcast hosting or cloud radio automation is just a marketing term for restricted software that can be accessed online. It is in no way the future as consumers are not willingly taking it up. Take a look at Amazon AWS and Microsoft Azure, failing to take off (only being used because it is being forced in to several products). Businesses are STILL just using SFTP or FTP to transfer files to online storage, and they (believe it or not) are storing things on none other than either shared or dedicated hosting. It is just easier and more logical.

 

Cloud hosting is nothing new, nothing to replace traditional means. It's just a tablecloth on a table. The table (servers) do all the work, but the cloth (Cloud) glorifies it.

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Do you feel in your professional opinion that a "bunch of servers" is better than relying on just one rented server?

You don't understand. Cloud streaming is both of those, it's no different to what other stream hosts provide apart from being 100% online automation and having no control over how you stream/automate.

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I am so grateful I am not in the position where we are renting our cloud.

 

Really...your broadcast IP traces back to Rackspace. Unless Radiojar owns Rackspace, you are renting space.

 

That's funny because a quick WHOIS search on Radiojar says their servers are hosted by godaddy

 

 

 

So they are obviously renting something somewhere! Struggling to believe anything you say anymore Jim!!

 

Godaddy is the registrar, not necessarily the host. They use Rackspace for hosting.

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I guess the biggest problem that I have with "Cloud shoutcast hosting or cloud radio automation" is that it relies on voice tracking and not actually "live" broadcasting due to the latency and lag that occurs when you attempt to broadcast live from your studio to a cloud server. Being primarily an FM broadcast station this is really not an acceptable way to stream our content.

 

As far as server location goes, depending on which country your stream host servers are in can also determine what kind of licensing that you are required to have as well.

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Not once did I refer or imply Radiojar in this post.

In the post you say I am so grateful I am not in the position where we are renting our cloud. and your signature is http://www.radiojar.com/?a_aid=jhs which makes me think you were saying that radiojar owns a cloud... Looks like I'm not the only one confused.

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In the post you say I am so grateful I am not in the position where we are renting our cloud. and your signature is http://www.radiojar.com/?a_aid=jhs which makes me think you were saying that radiojar owns a cloud... Looks like I'm not the only one confused.

 

For the original question, YES, ping time is important.

 

You wont notice monitoring the stream by "checking in" every once in a while, you will notice drops. It will be brief, and all your connections will get dropped.

 

Not so bad if you have icecast KH running with priority mounts and fallback mounts.

 

But for shoutcast, can be brutal at peek times.

 

As a second follow up, if you host local content from the back of your website (Trust me, lots of headache with this), and have direct pulls from programs like zara /w podcast management tool "juice", zara 64bit, radioboss, ect, closer the site, the better a chance you have of not buffering out the content (the content doesnt get fed fast enough to keep of with the stream)

 

You can host with someone that has a kickass CMD, great peering, you can spend the extra 20 to upgrade bandwidth, or you can host closer to homebase (your point of stream origin)

 

But a statement "cloud hosting content, cloud content insertion, Dropbox intigration" isnt the thing of the past.

 

When you duel host content (to the site on demand, and to the stream) it is the "now"

 

Something like dropbox, or even a simple FTP in the backend makes this easy.

 

The difference is the stream offers a little bit different content. make a m3u for the live stream like this:

 

http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file1

http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file3secbreak

http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file2

http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file3secbreak

http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file3

http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file3secbreak

 

and for the on demand content, an M3U like this:

 

http://www.mysite.com/this_show/introListentoUSlive

http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file1

http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file30secCommercial

http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file2

http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file30secCommercial

http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file3

http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file30secCommercial

http://www.mysite.com/this_show/CheckusOUTonRadio

 

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For the original question, YES, ping time is important.

ping time is important. You wont notice monitoring the stream by "checking in" every once in a while, you will notice drops. It will be brief, and all your connections will get dropped.

I don't understand how connection can become dropped because of ping... Ping time from EU to US is about 200-250ms and I don't see how this can be a problem.

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