djsoft Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 When ordering streaming services, do you prefer specific server location, or it's not important to you? → RadioBOSS Radio Automation Software: http://www.djsoft.net → RADIOBOSS.FM Icecast/Shoutcast stream hosting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joint Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Hi Once I thought the geographical location of the server is important. From my experience it does not matter where the physical location of the server. All you need is the server's performance will be better. And ask to listen to the station at the server. Joint Radio www.jointil.com | Get Our Joint Radio Apps | Visit Our Facebook Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoutcaststreaming Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 If you are streaming at 128 kbps or more, it is important that the ping times be 100 msec or less. Otherwise the latency might cause buffering. SCS - Dedicated Bandwidth Servers Shoutcast / Icecast / Windows Media Transcoding - Auto DJ - Mobile Radio - FLASH Players - Auto DJ Broadcasting World's Stream Host of the Month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsoft Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 If you are streaming at 128 kbps or more, it is important that the ping times be 100 msec or less. Otherwise the latency might cause buffering. Are you sure? I've tested broadcasting @ 256kbps with ping of about 300ms and it went smooth. I think it depends on encoding software (what packet size it uses) and buffer size on server side. → RadioBOSS Radio Automation Software: http://www.djsoft.net → RADIOBOSS.FM Icecast/Shoutcast stream hosting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsoft Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 I feel the future is cloud hosting. This platform is many servers from many locations all connected. So I voted no. Probably... But even for web hosting, clouds are still not common. I'm not sure when (and if) they become common for streaming. "Cloud" is just a modern word. I think there are people who would call two servers with load balancing a "cloud"... → RadioBOSS Radio Automation Software: http://www.djsoft.net → RADIOBOSS.FM Icecast/Shoutcast stream hosting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoutcaststreaming Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 I've tested broadcasting @ 256kbps with ping of about 300ms and it went smooth Well you must be blessed. As for cloud, some people just want to sell products. It's latency that matters, not white fluffy things in the sky. SCS - Dedicated Bandwidth Servers Shoutcast / Icecast / Windows Media Transcoding - Auto DJ - Mobile Radio - FLASH Players - Auto DJ Broadcasting World's Stream Host of the Month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djgary72 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Dedicated and shared servers will be obsolete very soon in our business. So what does a cloud server run on ..... Magic pixie dust? My Blog https://djgarybaldy.blogspot.com User of RadioDJ FREE radio playout software since 2010. How to Install RadioDJ: https://djgarybaldy.blogspot.com/2020/08/how-to-install-radiodj-free-radio.html RadioDJ is my FAVOURITE piece of software it works when I need It Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoutcaststreaming Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 So what does a cloud server run on ..... Magic pixie dust? SCS - Dedicated Bandwidth Servers Shoutcast / Icecast / Windows Media Transcoding - Auto DJ - Mobile Radio - FLASH Players - Auto DJ Broadcasting World's Stream Host of the Month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsoft Posted March 19, 2014 Author Share Posted March 19, 2014 most if not all of the hosting companies in this forum can not afford their own state of the art server centres. So their only option is to rent. As well as they can't afford their own "clouds", So their only option is to rent. → RadioBOSS Radio Automation Software: http://www.djsoft.net → RADIOBOSS.FM Icecast/Shoutcast stream hosting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djgary72 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 I am so grateful I am not in the position where we are renting our cloud. That's funny because a quick WHOIS search on Radiojar says their servers are hosted by godaddy Domain Name: RADIOJAR.COM Registrar: GODADDY.COM, LLC Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com So they are obviously renting something somewhere! Struggling to believe anything you say anymore Jim!! My Blog https://djgarybaldy.blogspot.com User of RadioDJ FREE radio playout software since 2010. How to Install RadioDJ: https://djgarybaldy.blogspot.com/2020/08/how-to-install-radiodj-free-radio.html RadioDJ is my FAVOURITE piece of software it works when I need It Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Dedicated and shared servers will be obsolete very soon in our business. No down time for maintenance, CPU working too hard, and etc. You have to realize that cloud hosting is the future, not the white fluffy things in the sky. Why would Apple and other well know companies only use this new platform? Just stating facts, is not trying to sell products. Technology in our business will always advance and become better. Just like the first cell phones were the size of a brick. Now they are have become "smart phones". How many people you know still using the old brick? Im sorry what? Cloud hosting is just a marketing term. Apple has just glorified it with their "cloud" service which is just a bunch of servers behind a software wall which restricts storage for use by apps only. Hence why you cannot simply drag and drop files to "iCloud". Cloud shoutcast hosting or cloud radio automation is just a marketing term for restricted software that can be accessed online. It is in no way the future as consumers are not willingly taking it up. Take a look at Amazon AWS and Microsoft Azure, failing to take off (only being used because it is being forced in to several products). Businesses are STILL just using SFTP or FTP to transfer files to online storage, and they (believe it or not) are storing things on none other than either shared or dedicated hosting. It is just easier and more logical. Cloud hosting is nothing new, nothing to replace traditional means. It's just a tablecloth on a table. The table (servers) do all the work, but the cloth (Cloud) glorifies it. Studiio - All-In-One Radio Communication Platform SMS | Phone Calls | Social Media | Content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Do you feel in your professional opinion that a "bunch of servers" is better than relying on just one rented server? You don't understand. Cloud streaming is both of those, it's no different to what other stream hosts provide apart from being 100% online automation and having no control over how you stream/automate. Studiio - All-In-One Radio Communication Platform SMS | Phone Calls | Social Media | Content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWorld Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 I am so grateful I am not in the position where we are renting our cloud. Really...your broadcast IP traces back to Rackspace. Unless Radiojar owns Rackspace, you are renting space. That's funny because a quick WHOIS search on Radiojar says their servers are hosted by godaddy So they are obviously renting something somewhere! Struggling to believe anything you say anymore Jim!! Godaddy is the registrar, not necessarily the host. They use Rackspace for hosting. ██ Stream101 | Affordable Media Solutions ██ Shared cPanel? Web Hosting | WordPress Hosting | Premium Stream Hosting ██ TOLL-FREE: (616) 277-7280 | 30 Day NO QUESTIONS Money-Back Guarantee ██ 100% Cogent Free Network | CloudLinux OS | Tier 1 Bandwidth | Grand Rapids, MI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andhow Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 I guess the biggest problem that I have with "Cloud shoutcast hosting or cloud radio automation" is that it relies on voice tracking and not actually "live" broadcasting due to the latency and lag that occurs when you attempt to broadcast live from your studio to a cloud server. Being primarily an FM broadcast station this is really not an acceptable way to stream our content. As far as server location goes, depending on which country your stream host servers are in can also determine what kind of licensing that you are required to have as well. Reverend Aquaman | Station Manager | andHow.FM Where it's *ALL* about the music! A world-class, always eclectic, commercial-free, alternative, modern, retro, indie rock radio station. Jamming the free world, one person at a time since 1998. Got Indie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsoft Posted March 19, 2014 Author Share Posted March 19, 2014 Not once did I refer or imply Radiojar in this post. In the post you say I am so grateful I am not in the position where we are renting our cloud. and your signature is http://www.radiojar.com/?a_aid=jhs which makes me think you were saying that radiojar owns a cloud... Looks like I'm not the only one confused. → RadioBOSS Radio Automation Software: http://www.djsoft.net → RADIOBOSS.FM Icecast/Shoutcast stream hosting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutish Sailor Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 In the post you say I am so grateful I am not in the position where we are renting our cloud. and your signature is http://www.radiojar.com/?a_aid=jhs which makes me think you were saying that radiojar owns a cloud... Looks like I'm not the only one confused. For the original question, YES, ping time is important. You wont notice monitoring the stream by "checking in" every once in a while, you will notice drops. It will be brief, and all your connections will get dropped. Not so bad if you have icecast KH running with priority mounts and fallback mounts. But for shoutcast, can be brutal at peek times. As a second follow up, if you host local content from the back of your website (Trust me, lots of headache with this), and have direct pulls from programs like zara /w podcast management tool "juice", zara 64bit, radioboss, ect, closer the site, the better a chance you have of not buffering out the content (the content doesnt get fed fast enough to keep of with the stream) You can host with someone that has a kickass CMD, great peering, you can spend the extra 20 to upgrade bandwidth, or you can host closer to homebase (your point of stream origin) But a statement "cloud hosting content, cloud content insertion, Dropbox intigration" isnt the thing of the past. When you duel host content (to the site on demand, and to the stream) it is the "now" Something like dropbox, or even a simple FTP in the backend makes this easy. The difference is the stream offers a little bit different content. make a m3u for the live stream like this: http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file1 http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file3secbreak http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file2 http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file3secbreak http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file3 http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file3secbreak and for the on demand content, an M3U like this: http://www.mysite.com/this_show/introListentoUSlive http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file1 http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file30secCommercial http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file2 http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file30secCommercial http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file3 http://www.mysite.com/this_show/file30secCommercial http://www.mysite.com/this_show/CheckusOUTonRadio NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN Presto Chango, easy magic. The show host uploads via FTP to the designated area, changing .../filex New show for both sides, less hassle for program managers. KNSJ.org / 89.1 FM San Diego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsoft Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 For the original question, YES, ping time is important. ping time is important. You wont notice monitoring the stream by "checking in" every once in a while, you will notice drops. It will be brief, and all your connections will get dropped. I don't understand how connection can become dropped because of ping... Ping time from EU to US is about 200-250ms and I don't see how this can be a problem. → RadioBOSS Radio Automation Software: http://www.djsoft.net → RADIOBOSS.FM Icecast/Shoutcast stream hosting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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