we should fight.

[Brutish Sailor]

Ive been recovering from some not so recent injurys. Pushed hard, and got hurt bad.

 

I was reading an article that popped up on the rain a few days ago.

 

http://rainnews.com/live365-suffers-a-collision-of-misfortune-lays-off-most-employees-and-vacates-office/

 

 

Starting to wonder if we should protest the new webcaster fees. not with words of a website, but physically on street corners in reality. in our social media.

 

Streaming has been a rough roller coaster of profiting over the last 10 years. Many have lost funds, and many would do it gladly again, in the name of independent media.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

Maybe Im being melodramatic here? Give me a reality check?

Edited January 2, 2016 by Brutish Sailor

[James]

I could throw something together to help people promote via social media? Like a shareable image, shareable article on here.

 

Thoughts on how BW can help?

[riverregionmedia]

i've been running a commercial for the save net radio campaign since december 16th

[Brutish Sailor]

I dont want to jump out of my lane on this, and before I really shoot my mouth off, Im looking for thoughts of how to proceed from Brandon, the old loudcity crew, Marvin (whos still in the game of JLA, and in my prayers) and even LIVE 365 staff running as a skeleton crew. As of this moment, Im wide open on how to proceed, and if its waving a sign in the freezing cold of downtown san diego, I have some friends who are down for a good ol' fashioned progressive protest. I refuse to know the day the internet lost many of its talent for independent voice, I sat silent as my consumer choice.

 

Even if its "Rob, go ahead but I dont think it will help" I will sit out there blue in the face and know that the day the public lost small independent streaming, I fought like a soldier, a fist shaker, and flag bearer for a community worth fighting for.

[Brutish Sailor]

I havent slept all night. Too unsettled about this. I go to picket Downtown San Diego between the morning and afternoon. Even if Im all alone on this one, I cant stand by and know I did nothing, and regret the outcome later.

[Brutish Sailor]

[ATTACH=CONFIG]1601[/ATTACH] made a sign. Uphill part is done right? Started to dawn on me I have no clue of what call to action I should put on it.

[Brutish Sailor]

Ok, so my thoughts into this..... and a plan.

 

So with our resources to accomplish stuff:

 

1) Capability's to fund raise through social media croudsourcing campaigns.

 

2) A group of seasoned broadcasters that have lost money beyond count to do a passion they love, and our so bound to the passion of broadcasting, the fabric of their identity is tied up into their stations.

 

3) Other seasoned and not-so-seasoned broadcasters.

 

4) Web dominance through tons of webhost, who stand to lose in this battle.

 

 

 

I already like our odds, and thats not even the tip of the Iceburg. You want hope?

 

 

Today I walked for 1 1/2 around San Diego with my sign. While I got a lot of ,"How did that homeless man get clean shaven, clean cloths, and nice shoes from the thrift store" looks on account of the sign, I got a lot of people asking what my sign was all about. They were shocked to know this kind of thing isnt hitting a lot of media, and more wanted to help.

 

That's just day one. So here's my plan on the table, and open for suggestions If it sounds as ridiculous as the above statements:

 

 

Hit their turn key operations in the honey pot right back. Were not going to win against royalty organizations as broadcasters. Just not possible. HELL, the war is already over.

 

 

But, if their was way to beat em or overturn everything? Start showing the truth to artist. The song producers, composers, and the indie off branches of the record lables. Start making them realize that pureplay is going to kill us, and with the financial relief it gives the bigger entity's, their going to lose money over-all when our listeners (how many on shoutcast and icecast?) become the bigger entity's market, which is different than the lie they have been fed, simple math.

 

So how do you put the information conveniently in their hands, no website lookups needed. OLDSCHOOL. flyers and books. And those books dont just tell the story of this plight, but all the fighting, and money loss, and story of staying alive, all the way from the 2007 proceedings to SWCast to now. Enough information the artist will understand our plight and hopefully empathize, take our side, and help us by telling the royalty groups about how much pureplay is screwing us without the small webcasters act.

 

So how do I distribute so called literature in the hands of the artist? Indie music stores. Hit them all. not just in San Diego, but around L.A., and my wifes green lighted my drive up there. I wont get them in all of them, but the idea of getting them to some? enough that the plight is understood.

 

Thats the best idea I got in the last 24 hours.

[James]

Ok, so my thoughts into this..... and a plan.

 

So with our resources to accomplish stuff:

 

1) Capability's to fund raise through social media croudsourcing campaigns.

 

2) A group of seasoned broadcasters that have lost money beyond count to do a passion they love, and our so bound to the passion of broadcasting, the fabric of their identity is tied up into their stations.

 

3) Other seasoned and not-so-seasoned broadcasters.

 

4) Web dominance through tons of webhost, who stand to lose in this battle.

 

 

 

I already like our odds, and thats not even the tip of the Iceburg. You want hope?

 

 

Today I walked for 1 1/2 around San Diego with my sign. While I got a lot of ,"How did that homeless man get clean shaven, clean cloths, and nice shoes from the thrift store" looks on account of the sign, I got a lot of people asking what my sign was all about. They were shocked to know this kind of thing isnt hitting a lot of media, and more wanted to help.

 

That's just day one. So here's my plan on the table, and open for suggestions If it sounds as ridiculous as the above statements:

 

 

Hit their turn key operations in the honey pot right back. Were not going to win against royalty organizations as broadcasters. Just not possible. HELL, the war is already over.

 

 

But, if their was way to beat em or overturn everything? Start showing the truth to artist. The song producers, composers, and the indie off branches of the record lables. Start making them realize that pureplay is going to kill us, and with the financial relief it gives the bigger entity's, their going to lose money over-all when our listeners (how many on shoutcast and icecast?) become the bigger entity's market, which is different than the lie they have been fed, simple math.

 

So how do you put the information conveniently in their hands, no website lookups needed. OLDSCHOOL. flyers and books. And those books dont just tell the story of this plight, but all the fighting, and money loss, and story of staying alive, all the way from the 2007 proceedings to SWCast to now. Enough information the artist will understand our plight and hopefully empathize, take our side, and help us by telling the royalty groups about how much pureplay is screwing us without the small webcasters act.

 

So how do I distribute so called literature in the hands of the artist? Indie music stores. Hit them all. not just in San Diego, but around L.A., and my wifes green lighted my drive up there. I wont get them in all of them, but the idea of getting them to some? enough that the plight is understood.

 

Thats the best idea I got in the last 24 hours.

 

Great work Brutish! I wish I could help but being in Australia on the ground, I don't think picketing on the streets here would help.

If you have any suggestions on how I can help with BW, please let me know!

[DJ Lorelei]

Have you all signed the petition?

[dotme]

Have you all signed the petition?

That petition is full of inaccuracies. It's title says "Opposition to Copyright Royalty Board's decision on HR-1733" - First, the CRB has nothing to do with that bill and certainly didn't make a "decision" on it. Second, the bill has nothing to do with the expiration of the rates we have all been paying. Third, the bill is ONLY about FM radio paying for an FM transmission and not at all about online streaming. Finally, the bill is not yet signed into law (and if the NAB has anything to do with it, it will probably never see the light of day). However well-intentioned it may be, that petition was created by someone without a full understanding of the situation, the law and how this process works.

 

In comparison, in 2007, SaveNetRadio generated a MILLION phone calls to Congress. A petition with a few thousand signatures, incorrectly worded and aimed at the wrong place will, I'm afraid, have no effect or even make us look like we have no public support this time around.

 

As many of you know, I was deep into this in 2007 (I started SaveNetRadio before turning it over to DiMA/Qorvis) and I'm not sitting here doing nothing. I'm making plans. Brutish speaks wisely though. We may need to act, but not yet. Without getting into specifics, there will be talks this week. I believe those talks need to take place FIRST. I believe we should give the sides some room to see if a non-adversarial solution is possible.

 

I know many here stand ready to act if that turns out not to be the case, but I'd encourage everyone to hold their fire. We're more effective if we all aim and fire at the same target at the same time. IMHO we're just not to that point yet, and until we know how the talks are going, we don't know what our call-to-action should be. Hope this makes sense....

Edited January 3, 2016 by dotme

[riverregionmedia]

That petition is full of inaccuracies. It's title says "Opposition to Copyright Royalty Board's decision on HR-1733" - First, the CRB has nothing to do with that bill and certainly didn't make a "decision" on it. Second, the bill has nothing to do with the expiration of the rates we have all been paying. Third, the bill is ONLY about FM radio paying for an FM transmission and not at all about online streaming. Finally, the bill is not yet signed into law (and if the NAB has anything to do with it, it will probably never see the light of day). However well-intentioned it may be, that petition was created by someone without a full understanding of the situation, the law and how this process works.

 

In comparison, in 2007, SaveNetRadio generated a MILLION phone calls to Congress. A petition with a few thousand signatures, incorrectly worded and aimed at the wrong place will, I'm afraid, have no effect or even make us look like we have no public support this time around.

 

As many of you know, I was deep into this in 2007 (I started SaveNetRadio before turning it over to DiMA/Qorvis) and I'm not sitting here doing nothing. I'm making plans. Brutish speaks wisely though. We may need to act, but not yet. Without getting into specifics, there will be talks this week. I believe those talks need to take place FIRST. I believe we should give the sides some room to see if a non-adversarial solution is possible.

 

I know many here stand ready to act if that turns out not to be the case, but I'd encourage everyone to hold their fire. We're more effective if we all aim and fire at the same target at the same time. IMHO we're just not to that point yet, and until we know how the talks are going, we don't know what our call-to-action should be. Hope this makes sense....

 

 

I've been running a modified version of the old savenetradio ad i found in another forum a few weeks ago, along with pushing the facts that Listenership to Online Stations are up and continue to rise with the advancements of smartphones tech, and wifi availability in newer cars.

[Brutish Sailor]

all right, I'll hold fast.

 

One advocate for spreading public pa we didn't think of.... Typing on my phone, so i will cut to the chase.

 

Behringer. Behringer gets tons of traffic. They sell craploads of gear to podcasters and streamers. dennis has been selected artist of the month by then before, and also has a station. If need be, maybe write up a call of action for them to pass along to their artist for Dennis to submit. One that gets their artist to submit letters to their PRO. Behringer delivers call of action through their powerful social media.

Edited January 4, 2016 by Brutish Sailor

[mjordan]

Has anyone thought to get independent artists on our side? They stand to lose as much as we do. Yes, we have to pay the RIAA for their songs too, but with less of us around, they get less exposure. We need to convince them to join us as well.

[Brutish Sailor]

Has anyone thought to get independent artists on our side? They stand to lose as much as we do. Yes, we have to pay the RIAA for their songs too, but with less of us around, they get less exposure. We need to convince them to join us as well.

 

Half right, read previous post.

 

Thats a null fight. With tons of media distribution, artist arnt going to flock in groups over that fight. My simple math on stating the arguement is~

 

 

step 1: Pandora and Sirius FM push for pureplay act, which favors profiting with a larger listening audience, as payout is per play vs. TLH driven payout.

 

step 2: Artist pushed by the PRO that the Pureplay act is in their favor.

 

step 3: Pureplay act takes life, and small webcasters act expires.

 

step 4: Small stations close, as they cant afford the pureplay act; listeners go to bigger media sources (like Pandora and Sirius FM)

 

 

Simple math: If our listeners go to bigger media, under the pureplay act, The industry overall gets LESS money. Pureplay favors large statistics. the same listeners, shifted to another media outlet (if going to another live audio source) kills audio industry profits.

 

Edited January 6, 2016 by Brutish Sailor

[Brutish Sailor]

still waiting on the word to unleash hell..

[Trip]

still waiting on the word to unleash hell..

 

 

Waiting with ya Brutish. We need to get something going soon.

[shoutcaststreaming]

https://www.change.org/p/u-s-house-of-representatives-u-s-senate-save-net-radio-we-need-your-help-to-petition-congress-100-000-stations-will-perish?tk=Pch6iBRQD_ivYesLBr5tAjFzY2Dmx8jcIsJ4A8cLIAU&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email

[Kravikula]

As far as i know Adele was first played/discovered on an internet radio out of NYC called East Radio Village (EVR), One of Green Day first appearance on Radio was on WFMU. So let's say make like a poster telling how independent Radio is important on Discovery new artists, and post that poster all overr facebook.

 

Or we can try reach out to VICE/Gizmodo even BoingBoing see if they are interested in Running some articles on this whole think.

 

 

* Sorry for the Broken english, i'm originally from Brazil

[cr08]

Somewhat related and I think is an interesting side-discussion to this: On my way into work this morning I heard a mention on the radio that there is a new startup company in Nashville that is allowing investment in a traditional stock-style investment, but into songs and the investors get a cut of the royalties. Unfortunately they briefly covered it with just the information I gave here.

 

On the face of it it seems like this would even further exacerbate the licensing issues and on top of that, IMHO, anyone who was not involved in the process of writing or developing that song and is not an artist of said song should not have any rights to the royalties to begin with.

[Brutish Sailor]

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/jan/10/blurt-independent-internet-radio-stations-stifled/#

 

Im glad my local small media outlets are covering it. Its surprising, because all these internet broadcasters are here, but never knew of one.....

[Brutish Sailor]

http://www.tvtechnology.com/business/0011/crb-ruling-is-crushingly-bad-news-for-microcasters/277738

 

At least Marvin isn't taking this laying down, and that gives me faith. I'm just ready to push some efforts forwards. But Ive had time to build a mailing list when its time to unleash hell......

[riverregionmedia]

the thing that pisses me off the most is marvin has to send me 2 invoices this month, i barely was able to pay the first one without going completely bankrupt, and with the second one, i may be forced to shut down (i paid for a 2 year plan on a shoutcast server that i've barely even got done with year 1.)

[riverregionmedia]

posed a similar thread over at another radio forum, radio discussions.com, and had several folks say that small/micro broadcasters don't matter and that we are wasting our time and money.

 

screw 'em and the horses the rode in on.

[Brutish Sailor]

posed a similar thread over at another radio forum, radio discussions.com, and had several folks say that small/micro broadcasters don't matter and that we are wasting our time and money.

 

screw 'em and the horses the rode in on.

 

Most of Their streaming tech is are based on our advancements in the field. Their loss.

[riverregionmedia]

Most of Their streaming tech is are based on our advancements in the field. Their loss.

 

agreed.

 

tried to reason with a forum member who calls himself a radio consultant and claims all small webcasters were uninformed and have no chance of getting a new agreement.